It isn't pulling the tube down, each of those things is cutting/sealing the section of the tube which at that point is becoming a separate thing - a package
While i love a good automated process, this one looks over complicated with a shit ton of moving parts that donât need to be there. Im curious how much time it spends down.
These machines have been around for decades and are well-sorted. While watching it, I was surprised at how old-fashioned it is. The setting looks like a factory demonstration, but all the movement is cam-driven instead of servo controlled. I used to work for a competitor of TetraPak about 15-20 years ago, so Iâm not familiar with their current designs. Yes, there is always some downtime with any machinery, but a facility with a proper Preventative Maintenance program shouldnât have issues.
Aseptic âbrickâ packages, like shelf-stable milk or whipping cream or juice boxes. This package style was developed by the company TetraPak, so the packages are often called TetraPaks.
I should note of course I am a big fan of humanoid robotics, just not in tasks where purpose built machines are better in every way. The problem is I am having trouble figuring out somewhere a machine would not always be better at least mechanically. Even an automated airport bar would be better off working more like a vending machine. not that I think bars should be automated, a skilled human tender knows when to cut someone off.
They're just testing the machine, either due to some issues/repair or because it's a new machine in this place and they need to ensure everything runs as it's supposed to.
They do this to show the end user, sometimes it is even filmed by the end user, to show how and that it does work the way it is supposed to. Then it gets into the hands of the maintenance department at my job, and they say it doesn't work, and never has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra_Pak#Recycling The Wikipedia page seems well cited, I get the notion Tetra Pak is misleading in its recyclability because it requires a specialized recycling process. It does seem that they genuinely are pushing recyclability and are just sugar coating their current state of progress.
Provided you have a facility that specializes in specifically Tetra Brik cartons. For such a facility to make sense you have to have enough of the cartons in your recycling chain. Last time anyone checked in 2021 only 16% of Tetra Brik cartons sold in the US were recycled. Usually by shipping them to facilities in Mexico. Essentially they make recycling harder in practice.
The US doesnât recycle because the US only charges a deposit on an extremely limited number of packages. If milk jugs, juice bottles, water bottles, etc etc etc had a nickel charge each youâd see recycle bins and trucks everywhere and the dumps wouldnât fill nearly as fast.
That still doesn't make recycling profitable which is the main detractor. In states where container deposits exist there is a 70% return rate on containers. Compared to a 33% return in non deposit states.
If not recycling was more costly people would return as your data tells us. 70% vs 33% yes? Now since we already have cooperative businesses with government and say prisons, government and recycling companies is a doable idea is it not? Offering tax breaks to companies that use recycled materials over raw would push industries to find ways to gain those tax breaks. The problem is no one thinks itâs possible so they donât try.
Alberta in Canada keeps all drink containers in a seperate stream where you pay a deposit and get a refund when you turn them in to a recycling facility. It keeps this stuff out of mixed recycling (garbage) and that province has one of the highest recovery and recycle rates of beverage containers in the country despite being far less progressive otherwise. It's the best system I've lived under and I don't understand why it's not more common.
Because recycling anything but metal and glass is not profitable. So you can't build a business around recycling and do anything but go bankrupt. It requires government subsidies to convince businesses to recycle paper and plastic. Even with those subsidies the recycled materials are not food safe and with a lot of plastics the main customer is food packaging industries. One day we'll figure it out. It's just today isn't that day.
Not in the current construct. There are certain things that aren't profitable, but are nonetheless vital to the functioning of society. A city bus program isn't SUPPOSED to make money.
IAmAnjelen
Paging @venjent ?
theyallwenttoMexico
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huffnpuff72
Pulling the tube down with those arms seems overly complex.
thepicklebucket
It isn't pulling the tube down, each of those things is cutting/sealing the section of the tube which at that point is becoming a separate thing - a package
Hammerwell
I doubt that the machine is aseptic.
bad1080
and then they put it all on the floor???
seanmccorkle
Needs some factory music
https://youtu.be/RHZ80ezXCpA
FractalB
I was thinking more of something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuxZ2u8-WXg
seanmccorkle
Excellent!
MechaNinja
Found it!
Maviyakuku
There are many
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
I found one more behind the machine, on a high floor. Did you find a third?
SqueezitTheClown
I only found the one behind the machine and on the circuit Baird
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
yep, those are the two I saw
3Davideo
Reminds me of the trash compactor in that one scene from Monsters Inc.
djhash
He machinery sounds a lot like quakeâs bio processing map.
FishieStardust
@00.14 I kinda miss him...
AlexSomething
Canadians will see this and think "absolutely not".
BrdCdn
It's not even a Canadian thing. It's an Ontario/Quebec thing. Never saw a bag of milk in my life until I moved to Ontario
WhiskyBravo
yummmm.... boxed "milk"
Mmbear
While i love a good automated process, this one looks over complicated with a shit ton of moving parts that donât need to be there. Im curious how much time it spends down.
axiomatik
These machines have been around for decades and are well-sorted. While watching it, I was surprised at how old-fashioned it is. The setting looks like a factory demonstration, but all the movement is cam-driven instead of servo controlled. I used to work for a competitor of TetraPak about 15-20 years ago, so Iâm not familiar with their current designs. Yes, there is always some downtime with any machinery, but a facility with a proper Preventative Maintenance program shouldnât have issues.
delightphil
Engineers are impressive and scary at the same time.
algoritham
Spoiler:
algoritham
Maviyakuku
Proper toolage
Eyeetsass
This is what stole all those jerbs.
diezl97
What is it making?
axiomatik
Aseptic âbrickâ packages, like shelf-stable milk or whipping cream or juice boxes. This package style was developed by the company TetraPak, so the packages are often called TetraPaks.
Evenmoreuselessname
Tetrapak containers
Filanwizard
Meanwhile the techbros want to fill factories with humanoid robots and think they will be faster than something specialized to a task like this.
khora
No, they donât.
JugeMeWithHate
We have cars going over 100km for a century and barley walking robots. I think it make it clear how inneficiently complex are humanoid robots.
Filanwizard
I should note of course I am a big fan of humanoid robotics, just not in tasks where purpose built machines are better in every way. The problem is I am having trouble figuring out somewhere a machine would not always be better at least mechanically. Even an automated airport bar would be better off working more like a vending machine. not that I think bars should be automated, a skilled human tender knows when to cut someone off.
Arcygenical
I very much dislike its robot climbing hands.
comeonjointhejoyride
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MGM0dmI3a2hnZHowMHQxbmVqZTlkdGNwdzc1NGJ0dndnc2ZtNzgxbyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/wYz6MTJaDgxNK/200w.webp
Beelsebooob
I very much like them - seriously, that's one of the coolest mechanisms I've seen in a while.
Maviyakuku
Yes
Arcygenical
And that they all end up on the floor afterwards? Hopefully those are the rejects.
Gin2ki
They're just testing the machine, either due to some issues/repair or because it's a new machine in this place and they need to ensure everything runs as it's supposed to.
OperationRustysBlanket
The morning shift can pick it up and stack it on a pallet. They love that kinda thing
Someoneisinmyhead
They do this to show the end user, sometimes it is even filmed by the end user, to show how and that it does work the way it is supposed to. Then it gets into the hands of the maintenance department at my job, and they say it doesn't work, and never has.
MayMayz4DayzYo
Found 2
charondaboatman
Yep _+1
Solkanarmy
same, took me 2 tries though
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
spoilers:
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
visible through the machine, about 12 seconds in, blue background
on the controller electronics, exactly halfway
Wikitoria
?
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Wikitoria
Oh wow đ¤Ł
QuickAndFun
I very much dislike tetra brik packaging.
Recycling the components is a nightmare: paper (cardboard) and plastic fused together.
GoodChange
The plastic is made from bamboo and is recycled as paper. (at least in most countries or where they have the newer TP machines)
SciencePetsComputers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra_Pak#Recycling The Wikipedia page seems well cited, I get the notion Tetra Pak is misleading in its recyclability because it requires a specialized recycling process. It does seem that they genuinely are pushing recyclability and are just sugar coating their current state of progress.
StewedTomaters
I was under the impression that they were vastly superior in terms of recycling.
kahlas
Provided you have a facility that specializes in specifically Tetra Brik cartons. For such a facility to make sense you have to have enough of the cartons in your recycling chain. Last time anyone checked in 2021 only 16% of Tetra Brik cartons sold in the US were recycled. Usually by shipping them to facilities in Mexico. Essentially they make recycling harder in practice.
threenotch23
The US doesnât recycle because the US only charges a deposit on an extremely limited number of packages. If milk jugs, juice bottles, water bottles, etc etc etc had a nickel charge each youâd see recycle bins and trucks everywhere and the dumps wouldnât fill nearly as fast.
kahlas
That still doesn't make recycling profitable which is the main detractor. In states where container deposits exist there is a 70% return rate on containers. Compared to a 33% return in non deposit states.
threenotch23
If not recycling was more costly people would return as your data tells us. 70% vs 33% yes? Now since we already have cooperative businesses with government and say prisons, government and recycling companies is a doable idea is it not? Offering tax breaks to companies that use recycled materials over raw would push industries to find ways to gain those tax breaks. The problem is no one thinks itâs possible so they donât try.
BrdCdn
Alberta in Canada keeps all drink containers in a seperate stream where you pay a deposit and get a refund when you turn them in to a recycling facility. It keeps this stuff out of mixed recycling (garbage) and that province has one of the highest recovery and recycle rates of beverage containers in the country despite being far less progressive otherwise. It's the best system I've lived under and I don't understand why it's not more common.
kahlas
Because recycling anything but metal and glass is not profitable. So you can't build a business around recycling and do anything but go bankrupt. It requires government subsidies to convince businesses to recycle paper and plastic. Even with those subsidies the recycled materials are not food safe and with a lot of plastics the main customer is food packaging industries. One day we'll figure it out. It's just today isn't that day.
StewedTomaters
Not in the current construct. There are certain things that aren't profitable, but are nonetheless vital to the functioning of society. A city bus program isn't SUPPOSED to make money.