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This is like when my kid told me hay didn’t eat the chocolate bunny with chocolate all over their face. https://newrepublic.com/post/197119/republican-lawmaker-cammack-nearly-dies-abortion-ban-blames-left
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Shoutrr
she has the face of someone consistently disgusted, like she is smelling something really bad. She thinks the bad smells comes from whomever is the subject of her scorn, but in reality, it comes from her rotten core.
DosPadres
Geistbar
That's inherent to them being a republican.
ButteryBiscuitBass
I'm just not surprised by this shit anymore.
zeusdemigod131
No see this is what they want. They can say "this one wasn't an abortion" because it was one of their own. But if it was a democratic lawmaker they absolutely would move forward with charging her. They don't care to define the medical terms in their bans because they want to be able to pick and choose based on the *person* not the procedure.
skapanda616
"Not every pregnancy complication is black and white, and treating it as such causes medical professionals to live in fear and puts their patients at greater risk of dying." https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZmNoNzkzeWZ0amxrMnphdGl5MG1mdzZlYTV0aDFramxhNmpuNTBqMCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Q09lToTa0H3Es/200w.webp
Strondvordr
Its a shame she didn't die because of it
metalrulercid
Shame she didn't actually die
Giantmutantcrab
Conservatism is a death cult, a hate group and a bottomless pit of stupidity, ignorance and cowardice.
hotaru251
any woman who ever faces this situation: bookmark this womans "exception" to use for your benefit. either you get the treatment needed liek she did or she goes to jail for murder like they claim abortions are.
If you are denied take them to court as this womans exception would likely be a pretty damning win.
GratuaCuun
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZjNobHFkOGJmb25lb3k4eXJ1dmQ2aWh5ZHFyamR2MW93Ym41djNveiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l2JhOVyjSHGejoXXq/200w.webp
dynamojoe
She can eat shit. I live in Florida and it has been solely republican-controlled for over a decade. Dems can’t do a damn thing.
Cat3508
Judging by the size of her, It looks like she is still pregnant!
zeacorzeppelin10
chatawillybilly
Florida you have strange health laws. You allow an oinker to get care at human and pet hospitals.
LemmyLugosiCollectibles
That’s not an embryo; that’s a chicken nugget that she’s saving for later.
TilSovngarde
Look, I’m not saying I wish she’d died. But if anyone is going to suffer from these extreme laws, I’d rather it be the people responsible for them before innocent folks.
RetrogradeLlama
Republican = Brainwashed idiot
INeverReadTheTOS
I mean... scroll up and look at the picture. There is not a single thought behind those eyes.
LADOW
She's not just any random republican. She's the House Pro-Life Caucus co-chair. Her responsibility for anti-abortion law is greater than almost any other person. I wouldn't blame those doctors if they made her sign some forms and sent her on her way. She likes jesus so much, let him solve her medical issues.
RooGryphon
full on retard, is more what you need to say. remember you never go full on
Fistouille
Each time these people say "the left" to speak about the center-right I eyeroll so hard it hurts
alantosai
anything other than a complicit fascist is an enemy to fascists
michiyl
Moving the goal post is the goal
AlterSack
I doubt that she is brainwashed. There would at first have to be a brain to be washed, and she runs completely on spinal cord.
RetrogradeLlama
FrogBotherer
Unitconversionbot should consider adding this to their list.
apollos658lyre
Brainwashed implies they have no choice, but they do. They are making an active choice to be horrible scum.
KR1570F
"if it wasn't for those dang lefties trying to make everyone's life better we could enjoy this country where things are only good for the white straight christian people. instead we gotta make things awful for everyone so that we can still hurt all those others and coloreds" direct quote from that lady while she was almost dying
LitterBoxKing
*cough* "straight"
*cough* "christian"
KR1570F
passing is all that's required when it's the system we're talking about
joshuasplinth
She looks not only like she would want to speak to the manager, but also like she would be likely be married to a round white thumb of a dingus with a goatee, a love of Jesus in his heart, and a cell phone full of kiddie porn. But she would ask for privacy in this difficult time, so that’s nunamybidness.
WhiteTrashPrivilege
RigidGristle
Cebrail
What a shame. About the 'near' that is
Clockworkdancerobot
They should investigate her like they investigate every miscarriage. Charge her for the abortion.
fridaySantaCruz
Don’t they have a tip line for that?
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
So, this is ANOTHER Repuglican deflecting to cover that 'the law is for you, not for me!\
RCSpotz
But she called the Governor and told the doctor that it's OK for her.
TalkingSnake
She had an ectopic pregnancy.
All ectopic pregnancies are invalid and pose a direct threat to the health and life of the woman. There is no such thing as an ectopic pregnancy that produces a living fetus, let alone a birth baby.
They refused to abort an invalid embryo that could kill her.
sfcorax
She so ugly even the baby didn't want her.
darkninja2992
Leopards and faces my friend, leopards and faces
Durl
And they refused at first because of fear of punishment from the anti-abortion law that she supports. Fuck her, and fuck people who support her beliefs in putting women like this through this shit.
Heelcat70
Fuck her? Wouldn't that require a shit-load of flour?
JeremyPeevin
You're right, and this is the excact problem. You deal with an ectopic pregnancy by having an abortion. That's it, that's what you call it. But all abortions are banned. So now you've got a hospital consulting with a lawyer before performing life saving procedures. This is exactly what the republican party wants. And if you think wow, this seems like a massive overstep of legal proceedings, you are also right. But again here we are, the party of small government, telling you when you can live.
justadude41123
It’s a shame it didn’t
KyleZombie
In sorry, but I wish they had just let her die.
Wirefish
I got a 3 day ban from reddit about this.
Blackthorn74
It was always the point - when you threaten arrest; the doctors bing in the lawyers. Delay of care is life threatening. Over 30% increase in women’s mortality in Texas.
TsubakiTragic
There are too many lawyers in US healthcare.
Skywatcher16
yes. and under the law she helped pass and still supports, it is illegal to abort that invalid embryo and unless she was actively dying the
Skywatcher16
medical staff who helped her with it could face the loss of their medical licenses as well as other legal penalities for providing it.
hfctom
And now they should arrest her for it /s
SirSnickleFritz
No /s. They should. They want to set rules, it shouldn't be "rules for thee, not for me."
kozmo403
You should really remove the `/s` there. If Georgia can force a dead woman to carry a fetus to minimum term (and remove it in what amounts to an autopsy since SHE WAS FUCKING DEAD), then this woman can deal with the fallout of the bill she helped pass in Florida.
Fuck these people with a rusty nail bat right in the face.
nomnamless
They should have to suffer the consequences of the bills they pass just like anyone else would have. not pull some bullahit and mental gymnastics to explain away how it's not an abortion
Bhargo
she did get the abortion, it was stalled because the doctors were worried republicans would arrest them for doing it.
mangosaredelicious
Except they didn't refuse. They gave her an abortion. And not all ectopic pregnancies are invalid. There are very rare cases where both fetus and mother survive, but again, it's rare and dangerous.
"After hours of arguments and one unsuccessful call to Governor Ron DeSantis’s office, the doctors conceded and gave Cammack the lifesaving care."
scrumby
Stop getting your info from forced-birther propaganda. There is no case where mother and child survived an ectopic pregnancy. That is a biological impossibility.
mangosaredelicious
This woman had a fetus in her abdomen. Both survived. Stop spreading misinformation- ectopic pregnancies are rare and this woman's case is even more rare for the fetus to have survived, but it's clearly not IMPOSSIBLE. The body is strange.
https://www.livescience.com/health/fertility-pregnancy-birth/baby-is-born-alive-after-growing-in-mothers-abdomen-for-29-weeks
scrumby
Well the Florida lawmaker's ectopic pregnancy was the standard fallopian tube you're dead kind. But I can see how that fact is much less important than your need to spread forced birther propaganda- babies survive ectopic pregnancies- with the trump card of one entirely different and incredibly rare case to justify it.
mangosaredelicious
It's not forced birther propaganda, I just gave you a site that isn't that at all. You seem to be very adamant on slamming forced birth shit with the same tactics that they use- bad 'science' and misquotes. I'm correcting you, because words matter and the actual science of reproduction matters.
JerBearington
This is what we’re up against, and I simply don’t know how to debate people who completely disregard facts and logic
Skywatcher16
you deal with it by not letting them get to office, outvoting the ones that vote, and beating the tar out of the rest. bad faith beaten. not
Skywatcher16
argued with.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
You don’t. All of this is bad faith. They know it’s bullshit. And they’re content to tighten your noose while you try and explain why they shouldn’t hang you.
None of this is about sincerely held beliefs. It is about power. We cling to nonviolence because we naively hope we can talk our way out of oppression, a notion useless in the face of propaganda and state violence.
You, and every other American have only two choices: submit to rule by evil or fight for a chance to rebuild better.
scrumby
You're clinging to a definition of non-violence fed to you by authorities interested in maintaining the status-quo. There is nothing the establishment wants less than a return to the successful passive resistance efforts of the 20th century because they unquestionably worked. They'd much prefer violence because they have the monopoly on that.
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
I disagree. The success was hardly ‘unquestionable’. It was successful in combating official racism, but unofficial racism still flourishes, to the point it helped pave the way for current admin. Public opinion shifted but private sentiment did not. The state also adapted to neuter protest; look at BLM. Clear cause demonized for vandalism, meanwhile counter protestors literally killed ppl.
The state has a monopoly on sanctioned violence, but they will use that tool regardless of your inaction.
scrumby
You disagree because the Civil Rights movement (only one example of a non-violent movement) didn't fix everything forever, the current protests made by a generation subject to the exact same brainwashing about what passive resistance is weren't effective, and because the state will respond to violence regardless of what we do which I guess you never pieced together from picture of dogs and water cannons being used on protestors like the rest of us...
MutatedHorse
Oh no! Are the leopards eating faces again?
ROGUEdenied
Looks like she ate the baby. (bad joke) sorry.
VoidScreamer
No, she got her abortion and survived unscathed, unfortunately.
GreyKnightTemplar666
The left isn't punishing doctors for performing procedures. The doctors weren't scared of losing their license before abortion bans were put into place. Sounds like if the abortion bans were never legislated, she wouldn't have had to wait to have the doctors call the governor and they could have done the procedure with no hesitation. She could have had her abortion and be done in no time.
littlespitfire24
She could also have gone to another state right?
lightfoot2
So it was ok for her to get an abortion because.....
cowgoesmoo1
...because the rules are for thee, not for me.
newsguycraigevans
It's OK If You're A Republican - Republicans
putcleverusernamehere
...because she's a Republican.
Hexidimentional
rules for thee, but not for me
Shaodyn
Saw a thing about this just today. Ultimately, what Republicans want comes down to 2 things. 1) They can tell everyone else what to do and 2) Nobody else can tell them what to do. She doesn't care that the ban almost killed her because she realizes that it's a great way to tell everyone else what to do and getting rid of it would involve other people telling her what to do.
kojenk
Hers was the exception, its very common
GreyKnightTemplar666
Her body, her choice? And it's god's will to save her? /S
RenaissanceFaireMan
Ectopic implantation.
BambooMan744
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notmyrealface
Fascist believe in privilege, not freedom. She's fascist garbage.
InfocalypseRising
Because she is the Correct Kind Of Person
Lovingimpaler
That is, without a doubt, the worst political correctness i have ever seen.
MutatedHorse
The GOP tagline is "All for me, none for thee"
defensivebackhair
Because it's her body, her choice, and since god personally told her that she has enough money, it's fine.
Silly peasants /s
ProbablyAlright
It genuinely wasn't an abortion, she had an ectopic pregnancy. There's almost zero chance that results in a living baby, much less grows into an adult. She's still a shitheel, but generally what she did isn't considered an abortion. Fear of it counting as one delayed her treatment, with docs fearful of the very laws she supports (which arguably could have applied to them anyways).
But yeah, even within their stupid moral framework it's justified, except to the loonier yet further in the koolaid
scrumby
You're repeating forced-birth propaganda. An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by expulsion or removal of the embryo/fetus. A medical abortion is when medicine or surgery is used to terminate. The treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is abortion, which is why Catholic hospitals perform partial salpingectomies, removal of the fallopian tube, to get around the biological reality that abortions are necessary to save lives.
kojenk
the procedure to treat an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion and in every other circumstance except for themselves, they deny this procedure under these exact same circumstances (or even worse more extremely exceptional circumstances) for other women.
jayman0123
"The only moral abortion is my abortion. I'm not like all those whores." - This asshole
mikeymikec
her body, conservatives' choice, and since she's a conservative... /s
Ekibwurm
if those kind of folks didnt have double standards... they'd have no standards at all.
mixiekins
Try the all new MAGA Chicken TACO: double the standards with none of the effort. Facts free! Zero brains! 100% your daily serving of faces. Part of a leopard's balanced breakfast! "Theyyyyrrrr Nazis! 🐯👍"
lightfoot2
Well the neat part is "I want you to save me now, even though you will probably be put in jail for the law I put into place. Hell, I would walk away from this monster, why risk my career and freedom on such a person?
foreverinchains
"My abortion is okay and morally acceptable because I'm special and I have a good reason for it, but there will never be a good enough reason for your abortion to be anything other than the abhorrent, absolutely evil intentional murder of a baby" yadda yadda.
DocFunkenstein
Because they're a special case. You see, they're good people, and true Americans. Not those disgusting poors and (100% all of them are in their eyes) illegal immigrants suckling off their teet.
They're just /better/ people. God. Don't you /get/ it, poor?
clonedeeznuts
They're god says they're better than everyone else
Unclescam
Same logic applies to welfare in its many forms.
Legomaniac91
She's rich and white. The only two things that matter to the GQP.
johndoejersey05
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
8647taco
This
Magjee
1/4 century later, somehow more relevant :(
imakeeper
Lots of incorrect speculation here. She had an ectopic pregnancy that threatened her life. The doctors delayed care to ensure the treatment was not illegal under the new anti-abortion care law. She blamed the delay on "misinformation from the left" instead of the poor policy from the right.
TinyBadger101
Methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion, though. All the folks who are calling her out for basically denying, to herself and the world, that she had an abortion are correct. They are also calling her out for blaming pro-choicers for the legal hellhole the hospital was in, and her having to wait to get her abortion due to the hospital's legal concerns.
moodytravesty
"... not illegal under the badly written anti-abortion law that did not exclude ectopic pregnancies from punishment when using common techniques to abort the ectopic pregnancy."
ColleenMarie
I have a buddy (Mormon) who married at 17 and had 13 kids, and her own children are following suit. One had an abortion last year, but they never used the word. They talked about the heartbreak of God taking their baby from them. They talked about it not being a viable fetus. They talked about the D&C and the strength they got from God knowing they'd see their child again. At no point did anyone in the family use "the a word" because that's not what this was. Abortions are for whores.
Leaps
I would find it very hard to be friends with this person.
ColleenMarie
I played auntie to the kids. Fudgecicles come in 18 packs, and they rarely got them, so I was fun.
TatsuyaSuou
Last I checked, God taking your baby away is through miscarriage ... which you also have to keep inside of you until your body naturally expels it while you're on trial for definitely intentionally murdering that innocent baby. 🤔
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Oof, Mormon *and* Quiverful? That's a rough life for a uterus.
INeverReadTheTOS
She's literally just convinced herself that she didn't get an abortion. She got SOMETHING, but it *wasn't* an abortion. Classic doublethink.
Mumalot
"I quit smoking!!!.... I vape instead"
CatSparkleBreaker
Healthcare. She got Healthcare
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
afterdarkart
This. its what they do. All sorts of nurses talk about the right wing people who come in with a long drawn out story about why they NEED it but it should still be illegal for anyone else to get it.
KidCharlemagne524
"For YOU, it's an abortion and evil. For ME, it's a 'medical procedure' necessary to save my life. Totally different!"
monkeyman512
Do you need to do a "first think" before you can do a "double think"? Do we have evidence she has done "any think"?
CausticCake
She got the "eject-o seat-o cuz"
Goldensands
It is simply staggering how correct time is proving Orwell
knotch2
Is the baby alive and well? If not you had an abortion.... Lol
leejn88
There are several AMA threads on Reddit from nurses or folks working in abortion clinics it's pretty interesting their stories on the number of folks who come in and justify how their abortion is necessary and different and needed versus everyone else.
Seems like a severe lack of critical thinking - and a lot of denial occurring, really disheartening to read about the lack of empathy for others when even faced with the same scenario.
Ryebread91
"I need it the others are godless heathens" that's funny, the lady in the next room said the same thing about you. Then let them fight it out.
magicrhombus
Hypocrisy is a virtue in the conservative worldview.
SuchACatastrophe
I grew up in a family that was all Catholic republicans. I got pregnant very young by someone I was not in a relationship with - suddenly everyone was all for me having an abortion because "what will people think about our family?". Never understood the mental gymnastics and haven't spoken to most of my relatives since.
FrozenCoast
They are pieces of shit. And when it comes down to it they don’t hold themselves to the same standards they wish to impose on others. It would just be pathetic if it wasn’t so damaging.
Cranbananarama
People post screenshots of those around here every so often. They'll look down on everyone in the office, get theirs done, then snub the nurses and leave to whatever their day is.
capnadorable
These people have deluded themselves into thinking that all or most abortions are liberal leftist women who are fucking constantly and getting knocked up and getting abortions every week, and they’ve deluded themselves of this because their political and religious leaders are telling them this
lightfoot2
yup. Because they can see into their own hearts and all the reasons it is ok and good. They can also see into other people's hearts and all the wicked reasons they are bad. I'll never forget when my baptist train buddy explained why it was ok for her church to find an abortion for one of their parishioners.
thedudeman519
THEYRE doing it because they're evil, selfish, whores who don't know how to keep their legs closed. I'm doing it because it is necessary.
Is what I would say If I got an abortion. But I didn't get an abortion, I received medical treatment for a condition. - Kat , probably.
thedudeman519
Meanwhile in Georgia, a poor woman's body was kept artificially alive for long enough for the fetus to *maybe* become viable to be harvested from her corpse via C-Section.
akafluffy
a 1 lbs preemie with no mother.
Iamatinylittlebanana
The old D&C ,but totally not a abortion/s
JamesFaction
It would be great if removal of embryos that implanted outside the uterus (ie ectopic pregnancies) was completely legal, and technically they are - but in practice hospitals etc are scared to do them because of the fkn abortion ban, and because ectopic pregnancy has no legal definition
akefay
According to the article "Months later, Florida lawmakers clarified that doctors could act in cases such as Cammack’s because ectopic pregnancies were not abortions in their eyes. They refused to define an ectopic pregnancy." Another article quoted her saying it wasn't an abortion, it was a medical procedure.
Nebbo
That's fine then - Because they've refused to define an ectopic pregnancy, all pregnancys therefore qualify, and 'abortions' simply cease to exist, and are therefore legal for all women.
Wikipedo
Just like Ukraine is not a war but a special military operation
Gerokeymaster
Which is wild, considering ectopic pregnancies were called out *by name* as one of the conditions that *don't* grant you an exception to our state's ridiculous abortion law back when it was first passed two years ago.
zaxlor
I can 100% define what those lawmakers are though: Cunts.
veedubfreak
Don't insult cunts like that. She lacks both the warmth and depth
sofako41404
Why doesn't anyone use this defense when someone uses "asshole" as an insult?
Gorgrim
So by that logic, just declare every "abortion" as an ectopic pregnancy so it's perfectly safe, right?
EleganceIsDead
"Lawmakers clarified"? Putting aside the uneducated, inbred, arguing whether they'll still be Bro & Sis after the Divorce, Florida folk strawmen... Biologically & Medically, they completely lack any knowledgeability. An "Ectopic Pregnancy," is a "Pregnancy," by definition. Now, this particular "pregnancy,' is both unviable & a direct threat to the mother's life, so it requires a NECESSARY, life-saving, "Abortion". Technically, even an accidental/pathologic miscarriage, is still an "Abortion".
mouseasw
They're technically right for the wrongest reason possible: an ectopic pregnancy *isn't* an abortion, it's a condition that necessitates one.
EleganceIsDead
That's a contradiction in terms and wrong. An "ectopic pregnancy," is a "Pregnancy," by definition. While stopping any pregnancy for any reason, accidental/intentional, IS "Abortion". Even if unviable &/or being a threat to the mother's health, it's STILL an "Abortion". For all intents & purposes, the human fetus is a parasite on the mother, & if she doesn't want it for ANY fuckin reason, it's no different from getting a tumor or tape worms removed. Even a miscarriage is still an "Abortion". -_-
BaBaDuuk
As a medical person i can clearly tell u a miscarriage is not considered, by terminology regularly used and by definition, an abortion. A miscarriage is a spontaneous loss of the foetus under 24 weeks gestation. An abortion is a purposeful medical procedure to remove the foetus whether is be by drugs, a hoover or a coat hanger.
EleganceIsDead
"As a medical person"? I have an MD, DDS, and an OMF Surgical PhD, how about YOU? The STOPPAGE, of ANY Pregnancy, for ANY reason, be it accidental, intentional, and/or pathological, is BY DEFINITION, an "Abortion" of the aforementioned Pregnancy. Finally, what you're describing at the end, be it with medical tools or a Hoover, is technically called the curettage after the "abortive," process. -_^ LOL! (sorry, I know I shouldn't be laughing, but I'm still giggling at the "as a medical person")
DavidTemper44
The fetus should have followed the proper channels
NateKindaGreat
Seriously underrated comment right here.
woozle
....don't say it woozle, don't say it. DON'T SAY IT!!
Nevernotknowing
Someone got... her pregnant?
woozle
perganate
WillemHellfire
You have ample reason to, so...
joeyecho101
FussyZeus
Don't mean to body shame here but it's pretty clear mental gymnastics are the only gymnastics happening for her
woozle
woozle
woozle
IMPICKLERICK
woozle
WillemHellfire
Mama raised you right.
IMPICKLERICK
Rovylern
Ekibwurm
woozle
https://imgur.com/fNgbdKw
dataismyspiritanimal
WOOZLE SAID IT bahahahahaaa
woozle