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ifteguy2
Mass human suffering caused by religion, yet again.
Leneyloo
Unintended consequences
fatcatdeadrat101
The3rdwheel
this isnt true . however there was a festival in belgium during his time where they would throw cats from a tower to 1/2
The3rdwheel
to symbolize killing of evil spirits .. but it was really just a way to get rid of the over abundance of stray cats
InfocalypseRising
I mean, the fleas that transmitted the plague probably would've just latched on to the cats instead of the rats.
Stratego89
Cats don't blow out of control in population and sneak into literally everywhere that is remotely food related and shit all over like them.
dumblastname
Can’t says I feel bad. Goddamn pope. Fucking everything up.
DrNicholasRivierA
The Catholic Church: the authority on morality that is always on the wrong side of history.
amglasgow
Scientists aren't even 100% certain that the Black Death was actually bubonic plague. It might have been a virus, possibly airborne.
amglasgow
To clarify, they do think it's very likely to have been bubonic plague, but there are some conflicting evidence that suggest possibly not.
Ozimbah
There's some pretty new info suggesting that advanced Bubonic Plague could turn into Pneumonic Plague which could be spread by airborne
Ozimbah
droplets. Same bacterium though, they've done DNA testing on exhumed bodies to mostly confirm it (hard to be 100% sure of course)
Ozimbah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonic_plague
Ozimbah
And hey, it's apparently been found in Wyoming recently! https://health.wyo.gov/wyoming-detects-rare-human-case-of-pneumonic-plague/
vorodar
Just to be clear, killing cats did not cause Black Plague. The origin of was Mongols using bioweapons. They catapulted some infected (1/3)
vorodar
corpses in a besieged city hoping for a surrender. But the city didn't surrender and the Mongols eventually left. Merchants from the (2/3)
vorodar
besieged city went back to Europe and carried the disease with them. (3/3)
5GFPLaqZ4nAy2QwrqOEI
bubonic plagues, afaik, were not due to rats. could be very wrong though.
Cayowin
Pope Gregory IX was the guy who made it Christian Law that jews are to remain in servitude until judgment day. See..
Cayowin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decretals_of_Gregory_IX
Lillymeows
Today I learned that you paticalur need a downvote for fake information
GFCSylran
Yeah well it didn't happen. So enjoy your downvote.
icantremembermypasswordformyotheraccount
Not really true. Plague was caused by fleas. Cats can carry fleas. Might have changed the way it spread, but the plague would have happened.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
And as a result of the plague the shortage of peasants forced wide spread social reforms :D
SurgeMonkey
Rats didn’t carry the plague. Fleas did.
Stratego89
Yes, but rats (Gerbils, actually) carried the fleas and gave them a breeding ground.
idonthavetimeforthiseither
So what caused the bubonic plague? Witchcraft!
DQ1701
Cats arent evil, Squirels are evil. Tiny bundles of pure evil wrapped up in a cute furry coat.
Saigon333
Fun fact: Cat burnings were a key part of the ceremony for French coronations up until the mid 1700s!
Hurch
Obviously, the cats cast a spell in retaliation.
DreamingOfDistantShores
So the Catholics weren't Cat-holics. Shame.
hitdog42
Booooo. Take my upvote, dammit
DreamingOfDistantShores
I'll say a few Hail Marys as my punance.
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
Mao did this in Chine but with birds… Guess who’s crips got eaten by insects.
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
*crops
StanBeeeman
bobkater
Cats were worshipped as gods in ancient Egypt for saving people from deadly asp snakes and crops from rats
LicenselessRiderEntersTheScene
It's actually not true(both cats killing and this causing the plague) https://factschology.com/factschology-articles-podcast/pope-wars-cats
ElizaMDancer
Though article does say that cat killing became a thing over the centuries thanks to the CC
AndNowForSomethingCompletelyDifferentdk
Thanks, was wondering about this
KittleCatStevens
Sounds like a curse to me
Weirdscenesinsidethegoldmine
Today I learned that this Story is probably not true after reading some article about the theme...
notoanotherusername
https://museumhack.com/black-cats-black-death/
netboygold
Thank You
tirohtar
A lot of witch burning and obsession with witches was a RESULT of the black death, it disrupted society and created a need for scapegoats 1/
tirohtar
And the heaviest periods of witch hunting came after the Reformation, as protestants and catholics used witchcraft accusations to oppress 2/
tirohtar
Each other. In those times it was also not restricted to women by a long shot, men were just as likely to be accused. Most witch burning 3/
tirohtar
Happened in German territories/the HRE, more than all other European countries together.
RuthlessRuben
It's one of those "the individual parts are mostly true, but they don't fit into a unified whole" historic things.
MildlyConcernedTV
History is never "this sparked that" it's always been a domino effect of other actions
MyRespectableAlterEgo
I call that Tumblr History. Things that would be cool if true, presented enthusiastically as truth usually starting with “OKAY. Y’ALL…”
MyRespectableAlterEgo
The best part is how it always serves to PERFECTLY support a current talking point: “OKAY. Y’ALL. SIT DOWN FOR THIS...(insert ‘history’) <1
MyRespectableAlterEgo
“...So next time someone says your green-dyed pubes should be kept ‘private’, you’ve got some FACTS you can DUNK on em. YOURE WELCOME. <3”
Karukos
Yeah a bunch of these things don't line up.
TsubakiTragic
It was the fleas on the rats that carried the plague.
Weirdscenesinsidethegoldmine
Less cats - more rats...
skwint
The aircraft carrier in our waters is not a threat. Just the planes. Stop blaming the carrier.
BAzV
Yeah, but if you sink the carrier, somehow the planes also become very ineffective.
Slotti
True, they started it, but human fleas where the Main distributor.
DanCutter
True.
ArthurPhillipDent
Do you want to be cursed? Cause thats how you get cursed' -advisor after hearing about it.
happyrabbitzz
Yep, the ol' "inafallble pope" dealio. And yet people still believe in that superstitious mumbo jumbo.
GuitarBobMonterey
Yeah, lets ask the Pope ab't science; he'll know!
inkasep1
My baby boy Cash is my lil man in black. Black cats are the best
Luvlyquants
What kind of f*cktard kills a cat? You get what you deserve...
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professorspankem
And you laugh because it’s.. funny? Ok
TyrannoNerdusRex
25 million people got what the pope deserved
brdmuffinman
Shit rolls downhill, and he was on a high one. :-(
saysomethingcool
Pope Gregory apparently
keupajer
The wonders of organized religion.
itsthevoiceman
NEDM
Intrspace
Weeb
beardedheathen
Cats are incredibly dangerous animals and their proliferation around America is responsible for 63 species going extinct.
beardedheathen
https://abcbirds.org/program/cats-indoors/cats-and-birds/
polopolomarkopolopolo
Yea… no. One can blame the RC church for a lot, but not the Plague. It was spread by a lot more than just rats/mice
TheJackKetch
Well wait - if we’re to believe in a benevolent, all powerful god, then the RC obviously hadn’t being praying hard enough to stop it…
boblives
Hamsters
SuperDramaticFusion
Moose79
The Mongols would catapult infected bodies into major city's to spread the plague. It's also the first case of biology warfare
Totalwombat
Nope.
Moose79
Yes. It was the seige of Caffa in the Crimea in 1347
Totalwombat
Don't doubt it.
Totalwombat
But it was not the first biological warfare thats absurd.. 100s of 1000s of years of human history and war. And 700 years ago was the first?
kikichunt
It wasn't just the mongols. And it didn't really work that well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-IzdmocMWU
Moose79
rats were definitely the main factor for the spread I imagine some rats ate infected corpses and hitched a ride to Italy from Caffa
dtallen243
Fleas
Snausagebort
And weebs.
vizeroy42
And especially infected people who hadn't developed symptoms, yet
ZeRootOfAllEvil
It's a good thing we learned from....oh
JacksNaggingProcrastination
And the fleas were spread by hamsters
Stratego89
Gerbils, actually.
HeraldOfTheBadger
Somehow I felt those didn't exist in the wild
Meltemi
Hamsters do still exist in the wild from Hungary to Mongolia. In fact, they were domesticated only less than 100 years ago.
Meltemi
That said, there's no known relation between hamsters and plague-bearing fleas. Rats and possibly gerbils, but not hamsters.
HasteTheFool
And the hamsters were spread by Dutch marmaladiers.
Wordsmeannothing
And the mortality rate is now being questioned.
Duros62
By whom? Flat earth anti-vaxxers?
Wordsmeannothing
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-021-01652-4
AndroidSoul
Did they come up with a statistic for likely mortality rates overall? Skimmed the article and didn't see any such information. Data does
AndroidSoul
Indicate that the 50% death rate was not uniform, but the study doesn't really get into whether their study implies a significant portion
Stella03
No. Nothing in this paper suggests that the European mortality rate was less than what has been roughly estimated at 50%.