Wax-Friendly Alphabets, why greek language has angular letters

Nov 17, 2023 3:47 PM

Grogu007

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Yesterday's viral post:
Why some languages have curly letters. I was not expecting a lot of people to like such informative videos so these being viral made my day :)
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Path of Exile is awesome :)

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Cool and all but all I can think about is how much I want a gyro now.

2 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 0

For some reason I really hate it when people (who are not Michael from VSauce) speak with this weird cadence

2 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 4

2 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 1

But that's not a sigma, it's a psi. I suppose he could have used "psick".

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The loop is better on the one he did for loopy lettered languages,

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You'd think that would be even more true for the stone tablets.

2 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thanks for posting this!

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I just began Greek on Duolingo. I am over 140 days of Latin. I love these languages!!!

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

How is Duolingo? I am considering it.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It’s very nice. In 5 or 10 minutes a day you learn a little bit. It builds up. You can knock it pit taking a poop. I just added German too. Just start with one language tho.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

δεν βλέπω γωνίες εδώ.

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I've taken courses in Greek epigraphy and Greek palaeography. There are tons of curvy letters in both, especially after the classical and late antique periods, respectively. In fact, later Greek palaeography is mostly cursive and full of ligatures and abbreviations. There are different fonts and scripts for different media and occasions. Sure, really old stuff, before techniques were refined, looks very straight and jagged, but that's just one of many styles.

2 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Nice loop. :)

2 years ago | Likes 368 Dislikes 2

Personally I hate those loops to an irrational level.

2 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Agreed, purely to trick people into watching on youtube shorts or tiktok or whatever. More loops = more views.

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I hate those loops to a rational level, I guess! I always block the channel when I see them. Even if I like the channel.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

that was a nice loop that looped nicely because

2 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

that was a nice loop that looped nicely because

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

YouTube shorts love to loop like that for some reason..

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

If you dont notice the loop it counts as a second watch = more views

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I blame tic tac

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Damn you tak taks!!

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This guy has made a few of these, each is a gross oversimplification. The development of writing is far more convoluted and involved than simple theories like this. There's so much back and forth between different cultures and styles of fashion that became mainstream; periods where writing stuck with a style because literacy became more prevalent in that time etc. please take videos like this with an enormous grain of salt. At best they're misleading, at worst they're straight fanfiction.

2 years ago | Likes 133 Dislikes 22

Also, you can soften the wax in tablets pretty easily... that's how you erased them... could also soften to write on.

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

As an academic, I should care about the misinformation, but the lover of fairy tales in me is gonna just roll with it.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The only information i will retain from this is that the greeks wrote on wax tablets. I assumed the origin of the style was BS.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Found it very funny that the whole thing is about "why Greek letters are mostly straight lines" and then the first clip he shows of the wax is half circular letters lol.

2 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

As I commented on yet another post (about curly south-east asian languages), the guy is describing SCRIPTS but calling them languages. The Roman alphabet is a script, used by many different languages. The Greek alphabet is pretty much used only in Greek. Mix the two together (and chuck in some other weird characters) and you get Cyrillic, used in a lot of Slavic languages. Scripts are not languages.

2 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

Yeah but it took longer than 60 seconds for your explanation that reached a 10th of the people and inspired no curiosity

2 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Its still misleading so whats ur point?

2 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

but it is pretty common, that cultures having written also in clay and stone used simple streightlines. because you usually use the leats effort method of writing, trying to carve anything into some solid or haalf solid surface contaning arcs is PAIN. and round shapes are much easier to write than sharp ones with liquids, as it makes you write faster and more fluid. So that happened "naturally" when writing was adapted with ink/color

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

The first known written language was carved into clay tablets and was full of both angular lines and curves, so maybe stop spouting fiction?

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

No they did not, they were sumerian and had dots which were simply stamped in by 4ools

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He literally said "May be"..... Like bro isn't even actually presenting this as fact, just a possibility why they letters of the time we're not more fluid in shape

2 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 8

may be it's because the aliens that taught them the script also used angular script. Like, I'm not even actually presenting this as fact, just a possibility.

2 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

Yeah, but you do understand how some possibilities are more plausible than others..... Like, fuck, maybe it was aliens, but clay seems more likely than that, and fuck, being derived from another parent language that utilized straight lines is EVEN MORE plausible than clay! Damn, crazy how this shit works

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's presented as a plausible rationale, when that's objectively not true. He doesn't clarify or contextualise, instead be says "this may be the reason!" And then digs into a long explanation. It's intentionally misleading. Had he said "one of many contributing factors that sounds plausible to me", he'd be wrong but at least there'd be some context.

2 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 6

Eh, easier to believe him than to google that shit. Besides. It's not like he's claiming a hospital as Hamas headquarters

2 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 16

Skepticism is like a muscle. If you don't regularly exercise it, it'll atrophy and you'll fall for falsehoods on important topics.

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Hamas would never do that

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Not like it matters even if they did, that shit will get bombed anyway.

2 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

You mean to tell me that there's additional details and context that I'm not getting from my 59-second Imgur PhD in Mycenaean Greek writing?!

2 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I mean to tell you that making massive, provably inaccurate generalisations and presenting them as fact is intentionally misleading and we should call out misinformation whenever we see it

2 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Glad someone is knives out for the ancient Greek writing techniques misinformation juggernaut. You've saved countless lives and scored a big win for truth today. Here's an upvote.

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

"misinformation is bad unless it's tiktok videos, then it's fine because I'm the most sarcastic"

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Misinformation is intentionally devised to deceive. That's a frankly bizarre claim in this circumstance, and I think you're falling far short of your burden of proof. I'd like to stipulate to oversimplified, but you don't seem to be amenable to that.

2 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1