My god my heart is broken. I never dreamed in my wildest imaginings that we were so cruel and so filled with hate . I started waking up in 2016 but who knew Id long for those days over these ???
Behold: https://youtu.be/8f9Vm2B6J5k In the 2007 Sweeney Todd film adaptation, Judge Turpin (played by Alan Rickman) sentences a miscreant to "hang by the neck until dead." It's the first ~30 seconds of this link, and could literally be how these courtroom scenes are playing out.
That...okay, my memory of this is bad at best, but don't people being put on trial in this country have a RIGHT to an attorney? One that must be appointed to them if they can not get one themselves? Am I wrong here?
Yeah, it boggles my fucking mind where the fuck they find these pieces of shit. They're up their with the Pennsylvania judges who sold children to prisons.
Unfortumately, this is not a criminal proceeding, so in immigration cases there’s not a right to representation. It’s gross and wrong, but totally within the bounds of the constitution as it’s written.
Probably jail. These kids are, after all, illegal immigrants. That's what they'll say, and when these cuntholes finally get Nuremberg'd we'll hear all the same excuses; "That's just what they told me to do. I was just following orders."
They don't care. That 4 year old can go to an El Salvadoran death camp as far as they're concerned. It's just a tick in their tally of deportations. That's all they see.
El Salvador has already put well over 3,000 children under the age of 18 in there, so why the fuck not, I guess? What's a few more crimes against humanity between fascists?
Some of them the Nazis didn't even transport. If they were babies, they just ripped them from their mother's arms and slammed their tiny bodies to the ground, head first. <-- historical fact.
Probably. There was one night at one of the camps when they ran out of gas to kill them before sending them to the ovens, so instead they just burned the children alive.
They were monsters. Maga and ICE are playing the same game.
giganticroboticpenguin
Cruelty is now default policy.
Apeofdeath
LittleChickadee
What. The. FUCK?!
LtRooney
Hey bootlickers, care to explain to us all how this is actually fine and dandy?
thanatos777
This has been going on since loooooooonnnnnnng before Trump took office. John Oliver did a whole episode about it during the Biden administration.
andwings2go
Isn’t there a huge waiting list of people wanting to adopt kids under 10? This is the dumbest situation to be in.
adognamedpumpkin
These kids aren’t wards of the state. You’re talking about two different systems.
SilenceIsTheMotherOfTruth
This stops when we make it stop.
ButtBot9900
MAGA is evil. ICE is evil.
andwings2go
Almost finished their orphan crushing machine.
bbueller
If it's evil, they support it
slidewhistlesymphony
Cruelty is the point. Always has been with these assholes.
fillerbunny9
I feel like this isn’t new and happened the last time he was in office too
Mcmaclassie
I am so glad my father didn't leave Canada when he moved away from the east coast.
mypepperonihasafirstname
This is how people get radicalized.
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
"The cruelty is apparent"
The cruelty is the point.
JohnBrooks2001
My god my heart is broken. I never dreamed in my wildest imaginings that we were so cruel and so filled with hate . I started waking up in 2016 but who knew Id long for those days over these ???
WhoHim
It's ridiculous and needs to stop but it also isn't anything new. A quick search found news articles from at least 2015 about this problem. Here's one from 2018 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/heartbreaking-video-shows-immigrant-children-being-forced-to-testify-alone-in-us-court/news-story/48e5a79966ade9bbf0df31d1760411b1
KevinStrexcorp
The cruelty is the point
insanitycontinuum
The US is quickly throwing out any remaining semblance of a solid Western justice system. It's fucking sad and it must be stopped
thanatos777
This has been going on for many years.
JFMiskatonic
Ok so at what point of this cartoon villainy do the heroes arrive?
redbear1999
Prosecute them! Jail them! New Nuremberg trials!
ThatRaccoonGuy
Remember the gun-wielding psychos who broke into a pizza shop to "rescue the children from pedophiles"? Where are they now?
donpat
*white children
adognamedpumpkin
Edgar Maddison Welch? He’s dead. Shot dead at a traffic stop when two cops tried to bring him in on a felony warrant.
ThatJerkOnTheInternet
Correction, the cruelty is the point.
Filanwizard
Do not defund ICE. Obliterate it.
BeardicPerformance
Put them all on trial with a hostile judge and no lawyers just like they did to these CHILDREN
frygyd
Behold: https://youtu.be/8f9Vm2B6J5k In the 2007 Sweeney Todd film adaptation, Judge Turpin (played by Alan Rickman) sentences a miscreant to "hang by the neck until dead." It's the first ~30 seconds of this link, and could literally be how these courtroom scenes are playing out.
alwaysupvotethegoat
wtf is right
throwaway12345432
There is evidence of this happening since at least 2016 https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/03/14/us-children-face-deportation-without-lawyers
throwaway12345432
https://www.aclusocal.org/en/news/immigrant-children-do-not-have-right-attorney-unless-they-can-pay-rules-appeals-court
throwaway12345432
https://www.vera.org/news/no-child-should-appear-in-immigration-court-alone
throwaway12345432
"According to Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) data from 2005 to 2017, nearly one-third of unaccompanied "
throwaway12345432
continued "children did not have an attorney to help them during their proceedings. "
throwaway12345432
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/immigrant-children-do-not-have-right-attorney
anjeleyezjr
That...okay, my memory of this is bad at best, but don't people being put on trial in this country have a RIGHT to an attorney? One that must be appointed to them if they can not get one themselves? Am I wrong here?
FinancialRavioli
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Solkin
They are stripping all the tennants (Possibly wrong word choice) of due process out
Ravenpoe
The word you're looking for is tenets
Solkin
Thanks much, i get those two swapped so often >.<
dogboybastard
What fucking judge will allow those hearings to continue without demanding they have representation? Add them to the fucking list...
thanatos777
Yeah, it boggles my fucking mind where the fuck they find these pieces of shit. They're up their with the Pennsylvania judges who sold children to prisons.
SebastianCrab
This.
MrStrigidae
Especially a judge with that name. Your honor do you believe you're NOT on a MAGA hit list somewhere?
hipifreq
Right? Sixth Amendment rights when?
HotDogPantsX
Unfortumately, this is not a criminal proceeding, so in immigration cases there’s not a right to representation. It’s gross and wrong, but totally within the bounds of the constitution as it’s written.
USA not A-OK
BlindGardener
If it’s not a ‘criminal proceeding’ why does the right use the term ‘illegal’?
BeardicPerformance
Goddammit I was hoping you were wrong but fucking Christ on a shitty popsicle stick is this country fucked up
anjeleyezjr
Never has been. This country is a pit.
livingonagiantfireball
Always has been.
jzastrow
Immigration "Judges" are employees of the Department of Homeland security, they're not real judges. They aren't part of the judiciary
adognamedpumpkin
This. It’s a bureaucratic “court”. I work in the UC system, and the past few months have been a terrible time to care about other people.
fireflyseasontwo
Deport them where? All by themselves? A 4-year-old dropped off in the middle of nowhere?
Corrodias
That is the point, yes.
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
Epstein Island?
levyathyn
Probably jail. These kids are, after all, illegal immigrants. That's what they'll say, and when these cuntholes finally get Nuremberg'd we'll hear all the same excuses; "That's just what they told me to do. I was just following orders."
ayers231
They don't care. That 4 year old can go to an El Salvadoran death camp as far as they're concerned. It's just a tick in their tally of deportations. That's all they see.
LoudBirb
El Salvador has already put well over 3,000 children under the age of 18 in there, so why the fuck not, I guess? What's a few more crimes against humanity between fascists?
nclu
Nazis don’t bat an eye at shipping toddlers to concentration camps. Same as always
jenoween
Some of them the Nazis didn't even transport. If they were babies, they just ripped them from their mother's arms and slammed their tiny bodies to the ground, head first. <-- historical fact.
nclu
I think it was in "Night" when I read back in high school, about babies being thrown in the air and used as target practice
jenoween
Probably. There was one night at one of the camps when they ran out of gas to kill them before sending them to the ovens, so instead they just burned the children alive.
They were monsters. Maga and ICE are playing the same game.
GutstobeGnK
I'm convinced they go straight into the pedo human trafficking world. The powers that be are fans, after all...