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https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/05/microsoft-ai-recall-feature-records-everything-secures-far-less
TonawandaBlue
"Feature"
Burke616
It's a feature, yes, but for whom?
TacticoolWolf
I hate that AI isn't just a program that resides on your PC, but rather a server inquiry. I don't want to put my personal files on the "cloud" stop trying to steal my data Onedrive.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
At the very least this will be used by employers to impose Amazon warehouse working conditions on office settings. An easy way to get around anti-workplace surveillance laws in countries like Germany that only allow cameras in the entrance area facing the street.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Or to check on remote workers by demanding they bring in their work laptops once a week for inspection. Assuming MS tells the truth and this data can really only be accessed in person, not remotely. Which is doubtful.
ThomKlanc
You really believe your office doesn't already have access to see your screen if you're VPN'd in on a company machine?
graehall
Modern techbros are really out there just constantly creating problems for profit instead of solutions
ThomKlanc
Management is doing that. As a developer, we code what the higher ups tell us we have to
DocTanner
The security implications of this are terrifying.
tirpider
The pinky swear from Microsoft isn't good enough for you?
DarkZalgo
I mean it's good enough for me. I know people in the cybersecurity field who would absolutely love to figure out if M$ is handling the data as they say they are. And they're definitely not alone.
DocTanner
Honestly, I'm not even worried about Microsoft. I'm worried about all that data sitting somewhere on my disk. It's only a matter of (very little) time before attackers start going after that potential treasure trove.
tirpider
Exactly. They'll say it's encrypted or locked up in some way that makes it inaccessible, but SOMETHING is using the data. MS never puts much in their release notes for security updates, but "elevated privledged" does come up quite a bit. I do not trust MS (or any software/OS company) to 100% protect any single byte of information from the swarm of folks that want to exploit that byte.
ariania
And its ON BY DEFAULT in enterprise environment and when it comes to GA. Make sure you disable it. Also, its ALWAYS ON for chrome and firefox due to compability.... good thread about everything you need to know from cyber security perspective: https://infosec.exchange/@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social/112479977322558585
frostyTunak
Interesting, how the fuck isnt that going to breach nda's with the companies I work for? This cant be even close to legal
heyimjephph
It'll just be disabled by IT via GPO
frostyTunak
And if I dont ahve my own IT department?
tankmayvin
You'll have to buy the professional version so that you can do it yourself via registry.
frostyTunak
Fair enough, i can nuke some registry files
heyimjephph
Registry editor is available in the home edition... Group Policy Editor is what requires Pro. Most things that you can set via GPO you can also set in the registry. Not saying it's right or whatever I'm just saying for informational purposes you can do it
hogeyegrex
Welp, that’s a big nope for me. I guess it’s time to deal with Linux.
TresusIbor
I fucking hate this shit with a passion.
Syko73
This is true about a lot of Microsoft apps these days. TEAMS for instance. it keeps reinstalling itself after being uninstalled IF you can uninstall it to being with. That used to be on of the defining characteristics of what we use to call a virus/malware
Skevoid
I recommend Revo Uninstaller. It's a small, free program that uninstalls programs and also does a check for leftover files and registry entries left by programs that you uninstall with it, and lets you easily delete them.
AyatollahBahloni
There was a dark time when every Adobe or Java install came with the "Ask Toolbar" foistware. And that shit was so malicious that every time you uninstalled it, the thing would immediately re-install itself. You couldn't get rid of it without diving deep into the registry.
Syko73
And now Edge and CoPilot does the same thing
Grimmrog
it's not spyware if it's an official feature. people at -microspy probably.
myloveisfireburnbabyburn
Let’s all start writing letters to each other again lol
KittenInside
This will finally make the pain of switching to Linux bearable.
instanoodles
Is anyone else not interested in this AI crap in their personal life? I dont want its help and I actually enjoy doing n learning myself.
Kittynomnoms
It's really irritating how many sites and applications are trying to include an AI "assistant" of some kind. Can't even google something anymore without a giant block of AI text at the top giving me a summary of incorrect search results.
kraeftig
Even better when it gives an incorrect summary of the correct search results.
azarza
in this lady's day it would have been insane to think someone would convince literally everyone to *want* to carry around tracking/listening devices, but here we are
Hrafna55
AyatollahBahloni
Holy Cheese Whiz Viṣṇu. Maybe it really is time to bite the bullet and move to Linux.
Sinasohn
Taxing my CPU and filling up my hard drive... No thanks.
AoShin
Lol. Let's just see what the EU says about this
Icommentandpostmypets
So how would this work with companies that have proprietary info on computers?
DarknessOfIce
Excellently, for other companies that want to buy that information from Microsoft
L0rdinquisit0r
microsoft looking at you coding and going "my code now"
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
100% why I keep old computers. Old software. Offline apps. I'm not gonna join this shit. I'll go primarily offline when this is a mandatory feature
Grimmrog
steam still runs in W7 just a few newer games that require W10 not.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
I download offline versions of all my favorite games. Just in case
qtRaven
GOG is great for that.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Yea. I have a lot on steam but I should start to go gog now
qtRaven
I've been rebuying games that I have on Steam on GOG when they go on sale. Just in case Steam tries to force an update to Win11.
somedeepshitgoeshere
I seriously cannot fathom how Microsoft looked at this and thought "surely people won't think it's spyware if WE make it!"
Xenarion
The vast majority of users don't care, so why should they?
mcmachack
They have a Monopoly, they don't think about us at all, we are at their mercy
Grimmrog
this, if they were thinking about us, nothing past W7 would have happened in terms of how Ui features and usability got trashed
Anthedon
I've been using Open Shell ever since W7 forced me to update to W10. Gives me back the W7 UI at least.
Frenchgeek
What I love with Windows currently is how Proton runs so well I haven't started the Windows machine once in the last two years.
OdinYggd
Windows has been malware for quite a while now. They're just admitting to it finally.
enderite
The FBI privatized.
secularink
They used to call that 'The Pinkertons' in yer olden days.
onlyhalfghost
they still do, although Pinkerton likes to be called Securitas AB.
Badsequence
We can remember it for you wholesale. Recall, Recall, Recall!
WhiskyBravo
I understood this reference! Get your ass to Mars!
Badsequence
Of all the scary movies and what not I was subjected to when I was younger the scene in Total Recall where he pulls the tracker out of his nose still freaks me out more than a scary movie!
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
I can't not see it as advertismen for Linux
Mckrau
Gaming was the last big issue for me, and now with the steam distro there's no excuse. I'll stick with windows 10 until eol, but after that? Fuck'm
Melonfish
I'm going back to linux for sure. This AI snapshot thing is optional now, but just wait a little while.
myotheralt
What do I really use my computer for anyway that I can't do in Linux? 3d printer has OEM software, laser cutter does too, Firefox and discord and VLC, them too.
Why am I still using windows?
WooNeat
Literally just dual boot for games if you can't run them in Linux, everything else that's general computing works fine been on it as the main driver for a decade now
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Most windows game run absolutely fine on linux nowadays. Baked into steam, so there isn't even anything complicated normally.
Bombe
Maybe 2025 will be the Year of the Linux Desktop!
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
We can only hope. But that being said. I still think it's not gonna happen because it doesn't come pre-installed on people's computers. There's a lot of people out there who can't install their own OS even though IMO that's a basic computer literacy. I feel like that's by design by big corporations like MS and Apple. Funny thing is I almost ended up working at MS.
Bombe
I’ve been making that quip since 1998, i.e. since I started using Linux because it was immediately clear that _this_ (vaguely gestures to all of Linux, distributions, desktop environments, audio APIs, video card/3D acceleration support) will _never_ be usable for people who don’t give a shit about computers — which is a majority among people using computers.
bearatrooper
kaoticone
There is almost always 'a way to do it' in Linux. But calling it easy would be an exaggeration.
delusionaldaydreams
Depends on what you’re trying to do. There are a lot of things that I think are easier in Linux (scripting/automation, file management, managing services, etc). Oh, and power shell sucks.
brandonblk
shame it cant run anything that i actually play
jkuhn
My ssd took a dump like 2 months ago and I was seriously considering switching to linux but the one game I play often doesn't work, even in virtual machines.
datester35
Windows already records a lot of system events and file information when it indexes them. This is just a speedup / ai assisted implementation of that, and isn't much different to what's already happening. Unless you build everything yourself which generally isn't feasible, your data will get sold.
paintingagency
Yeah I can totally see my mother in law recompiling her kernel. Sad truth is most users will just go with it.
delusionaldaydreams
I’ve used Linux almost exclusively since 1994 and I haven’t had to recompile a kernel in a very long time.
Leithoa
Lucky for her they come precompiled these days. Ubuntu / cinnamon / mint are all pretty much plug and play.
DrKonrad
Windows Vista made me switch to Linux, never regretted it
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Hey same :D! Also was a big reason I ended up working as Embedded Developer
Swordbian
Any good Linux distributions that can run a lot of games? I know that can be an issue given how many games are made to just run on windows
permissiontolosedenied
Like everybody else says Linux mint FTW
GenStrike
Linux Mint is great. It runs everything I need ... except Photoshop.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Yeah. Adobe is a bunch of wankers who won't release a Linux version of their products, which is a big reason some people won't switch. Especially when their livelihood is tied to these products
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Like other people suggested, Mint is a good start, Ubuntu is also beginner friendly with massive support network.
Often works out of box. But, in some cases especially with some laptops you might have audio issues - stupidly common for me. Thankfully the more popular Linux distributions deal with these quite well.
Badsequence
With Steam and Vulcan there are more and more games all the time able to be run on Linus plus you can always resort to WINE for older games.
echoawoo
All you need for games is WINE for any games that don't support Linux natively. You might need to make your own gpu drivers, though, depending on the game, your gpu, and whether or not the FOSS drivers already avaliable are complete.
brandonblk
see i dont know what any of that is. so ill stick with my priated windows
echoawoo
WINE is an acronym, it stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator, which has an acronym in it which means WINE Is Not an Emulator, which has an acronym in it which means WINE Is Not an Emulator, which has an acronym in it which means WINE Is Not an Emulator, which has an acronym in it which means WINE Is Not an Emulator, which has an acronym in it which means WINE Is Not an Emulator, which has an acronym in it which means WINE Is Not an Emulator, ERRR STACK OVERFLOW EXCEEDED MAX CALL STACK SIZE
Badprenup
Honestly I am considering dual booting (if this ever comes to Windows 10). Only use Windows for gaming and streaming, use Linux for anything else.
mcmachack
Linux Mint with Steam and Proton
jcole01
I've run the latest Ubuntu full-time for the last 4 years. Have yet to run into a game I couldn't play. Don't even have a windows partition anymore. Between Lutris for battle.net and Steam, everything just works. Effortlessly.
Nikolai5
Linux Mint, or if you have really new hardware or just want to use it, Arch Linux. Arch isn't the best for beginners, though, as it requires manual set up of some basic things. I've not touched Windows for 2 years and can game all I want. Check the website proton.db to see if other users have got a game running.
Nikolai5
Sorry, correction on the website its protondb.com
Leithoa
It's not really an issue these days. Pop!OS, Mint, or anything running lutris. The release of the SteamDeck got most games studios to take Linux serious. The only issues are with easy anti-cheat &c and even those are sporadic.
sixvoltsystem
If Valve makes a solid distro for all PC's from the SteamDeck I'm all in. I could duel boot again but not with this.
Xenarion
You mean Steam OS?
sixvoltsystem
Yes but for desktop PC's.
Xenarion
Yeah, that's what Steam OS does.
sixvoltsystem
There is no Steam OS distro for regular desktop PC's at least not 3.0 and up. You would have to utilize another distro like Bazzite.
JanimalsAnimalBefriender
As a long-time Windows user, I'm seriously thinking of using Linux now.
namelessone
If you dual boot now it will be easier to switch in the future.
initforthespecs
I'm going through an 11hr Udemy course as we speak to get up to speed w Ubuntu. It's pretty good.
echoawoo
Just a warning: there is some uber mega serious culture shock.
It's certainly not insurmountable, but you are going to feel like you've never used a computer before for a bit.
screendler
That's true for any OS switch. The pain of transition should be expected with the knowledge that it's temporary.
Clockworkdancerobot
Linux mint is good and pretty easy to use.
jrntn
Thanks to innovations made for the Steam Deck, which runs Linux under the hood, any video game you can run through Steam can run on Linux, and the vast majority of them run fucking flawlessly. So today is a good day to switch!
usingYourMomAsAHat
Same. The data hoarding is unbearable these days.
MediocreExtremist
same. too much commercial crap.
and forced ways of work.
Xenarion
Same. Especially as more and more games have Linux compatibility now.
pareidoliaperson
How far has linux come? Where do I buy their os software?
jrntn
I mean if you're hell bent on buying it, companies like Red Hat and SUSE will gladly sell you their Linux OS'es. But if you're not a corporation, you could just try out something like Mint or Fedora
Justboredtobehere
Can you buy a Linux system or is it an after purchase installation?
Xenarion
You can install the OS (Linux or Windows) whenever you want. You can technically have both installed and use one or the other with some little fiddling in the BIOS.
phssthpok
There are a few companies that offer it as an option. Tuxedo Computers produce custom systems with their own Linux OS.
AgainstMethod
Definitely some software compatibility issues, but it's a good idea.
arfysdad
It's come a long way and is incredibly user friendly now. You can run it side by side with windows while you're learning its system. Linux Mint is great for beginners.
https://linuxmint.com/
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
+1 for mint. Also if you you just want to check it out: install virtual box and install it in a virtual machine. Its pretty easy
NurdleOnTheBeach
+2 for mint! I resurrected an old MacBook by putting Linux mint on it. I feel like I've cheated death and capitalism!
GalacticHammer
Right? I don't want to switch to Linux but I don't see what other options Windows is leaving me when they're retiring 10 and 11 is just ads and AI garbage.
shapr
If you switch to Linux, I'll help. Linux has been my only desktop operating system for decades. It's not perfect, but with some learning you can change anything that bothers you.
TomBrokaw
I can't imagine that "recording literally every action on your computer" was a trivial task, and yet, "putting the taskbar on the side" was too hard for them to do. Fucking ridiculous.
Frankasti
I really hate Win11, but to be fair you can put your taskbar content on the left. It's an option. You can also put back the right click contextual menu as it was in Win10 by changing a registry key. I like the new cmd and the tabs in explorer are cool. The rest is useless prettification.
IslaNublar
In a statement one of their employees said "This (recording everything via screenshots) is something we've been wanting to do for years but the tech wasn't there." So this is something they've been planning for a long, long time. That says a whole lot about them.
LordTwaddleford
We will be able turn this application off, ri...oh who am I kidding, of course we won't! (At least not without jumping through a few hoops, and even then I wouldn't put it past Micro$oft to implement it in such a manner that disabling it bricks your system...)
SirHonytawk
Of course you can turn it off, only unknowing Linuxians think you won't. Just like how they seem to think you can't turn off ads in WIndows, when it is a clearly labeled "disable suggestions" checkbox.
Nivvi
From the article I have read, you can pause it, add programs and websites to no record list, and everything is kept locally and not in a cloud. But it didn't say if you can completely disable it. Also fuck win11 for this ai bullshit
DarkDuskBlade
Local storage makes even less sense to me, though. Or at least seems like a huge waste of resources for an OS. I know storage is cheaper than it used to be, but I still don't like the idea of an essentially cancerous, mutating OS eating away at it (even if I'm sure there are limits built in, that somehow feels like a thin piece of rope keeping it from getting seriously out of hand).
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
And if it doesn't brick your system, every future update will turn it back on
zuken
Not at first! You can definitely disable it in settings. And later on when it isn't in settings you can just turn it off in the registries. And shortly after that you can run a script provided by an ex Microsoft employee, but eventually it will be mandatory. Once everyone is used to it
soabtanmnl
I hate how true this is
Ultratoxic
They'll let you flip a little switch to disable it, then change nothing in the background
Burke616
The switch turns on the "tell you it's off" subroutine.
heyimjephph
You will absolutely be able to disable it
baals
Dude this fucking windows 11 S makes me want to kill things
delpharseven
I'm sure it will be possible to turn it off with Group Policy (provided you have a version of Windows that has GP), but every once in a while an update will turn it back on again. Updates are never supposed to alter Group Policy, but even on Windows 10 they sometimes do.
InFineNilAdmirari
windows 10 & 11 home edition don't have gpedit.msc implemented. I was yesterday years old when i found out, because i wanted to deactivate copilot.
heyimjephph
Should be able to do the same thing via the registry. Run CMD as an admin and use the command "reg add HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot /v TurnOffWindowsCopilot /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f"
meisakusen
Yep, all the features to actually own/manage your system are packed into the Pro or enterprise versions.
InFineNilAdmirari
Here's a tuto of how to get gpedit.msc and how to turn off copilot if anyone interested. I had doubts to do what he tells but in the end, I had to do all steps he says and i was able to do what I wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkq2xJEIE3k
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InFineNilAdmirari
Sorry to ask, but what do all these dot comments mean? Did I do something wrong?
Sorry if I offended anyone in any way.
PsistormIkura
And everything will be local, until it won't be, and everything you do and write will be sold off to absolutely anyone with enough money. Oh and leaked of course. Tax documents, banking info, passwords, all your private conversations, /everything/.
vilikke
Don't need to leak it. If someone gets to your computer, they can get the info. Gonna be fun for journalists and the opposition in dictatorial states when those gov'ts confiscate their computers and get everything served on a silver platter.
JesaraB
Everything will be sent to Microsoft "for diagnostic and development reasons and we swear it won't include any personal information, despite very specifically including things like your banking account passwords and information if you ever accessed those"
XCadencex
All nations need to adopt an EU GDPR style policy that actually protects the rights of private citizens. I don’t say this lightly. We need it.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
We really, really need a new privacy act in Australia. Ours is extremely outdated and companies like Optus get away with leaking a shit tone of data.
logicalawesomeness
There's a company called Ocean protocol that's trying to change that by paying people for the data they choose to share
pgdave
They absolutely wouldn't be able to do that without violating a *ton* of laws, bringing not only hundreds of billions of dollars in class action lawsuits (lawyers are salivating already) but potentially trillions in fines from the US and EU.
datester35
Windows already does this in a non-AI capacity when it indexes your files for easier search. This is really not that different.
DarkDuskBlade
Oh, between this and making people pay for extended support of Windows 10 after October next year, I'm expecting an epic shitstorm to hit Microsoft, particularly from the EU.
I get it from a business perspective, I do, but computers/OSes aren't just a business, they're straight up infrastructure.
MediocreExtremist
and you think that will stop anyone if the NSA wants your info ?
pgdave
Yes. It already has, with companies refusing to install backdoor encryption unlocking.
IslaNublar
Google violates laws all the time and gets away with it most of the time. So does Microsoft. The times they're actually held accountable are few and far between and they never get more than a wrist-slap.
DarkZalgo
Source?
IslaNublar
Source? Your eyes? Want an easy example? Every single time a bullshit DCMA claim is pulled on a YouTuber to steal revenue Google facilitates this by not following US copyright law. You can legally own your own content but Google automatically sides with the claimant. If you protest this claim Google will simply ask them if they're sure they own the content, and if they reply back that they do they will allow them to steal your revenue from your own content...
IslaNublar
If you protest this again Google warns you that if the other party still asserts they're the rightful owners it can result in your ACCOUNT BEING PERMANENTLY TERMINATED. Google completely ignores established copyright law and walks all over your rights. And NO ONE holds them accountable for it.
WowSoSparkly
not if they just find a way to make it look like it's really so convenient for you to put all your info in their hands, then even make you pay extra for it.
Ristari
True. When was the last time a major US company was substantially punished for a crime? Not wrist slapped. Not warned. Actually hit with a crippling fine
DarkZalgo
A couple months ago? The janitorial company that was caught hiring kids was hit with a fine worth ~10% of their revenue, and required to put in a ton of safeguards and training to make sure if it happened again, it would be much easier to report and catch.
BeeAtPeace
Leverage had an episode where they went after a pharma exec. He mentioned a 10% fine is like tipping your waitstaff...
DarkZalgo
Sounds like he's an idiot. An easily avoidable 10% loss is grounds for being sued and fired by the board.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Lol. Lmao, even. They'll just "anonymize" it (pay no heed to how trivial it is to de-anonymize data), analyze the recordings for marketable data (storing all those recordings would be too expensive, this sorta thing is already standard practice w/big data), and then use the fruits of said surveillance to advertise and what not ever more precisely. Well, except for the NSA (& CSE, GCHQ & others), they'll grab everything thet can and store it forever, and share it with their partners too. 1/2
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
2/2 Pf course, given that the recordings are stored locally the software might just be instead developed to analyze the records using local processing, and then transmit THAT to microsoft. It would probably be quite a lot cheaper to offload all that inage processing and network activity onto the end user, after all.
ZackWester
I would bet a lot that only some of that data is stored localy because why should it not be.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
That's my processing power I paid for it. Windows is already painfully slow due to all the unnecessary crap running on it and bunch of poor implementation.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
It's also your bandwidth, doesn't stop all the surveillance that's baked into windows. Most of the unnecessary shit is related to surveillance routines
DarkZalgo
That would make it even easier to catch and prove, and would still be illegal.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Oh, damn, really? So I guess microsoft must already be in some real hot water for all the surveillance and telemetry they've had in windows for years now. You know, seeing as how it's illegal and all.
vu1f
Maybe I'm a little cynical but if this is getting the go-ahead they must have assessed the damages vs profits already.
warp10
Yes, but they might not have done it right. Iirc Ford did a cost benefit analysis for fixing the problems with the Pinto's fuel tank (it could easily be ruptured if rear-ended even at low speeds). They decided to not modify it and eat the costs of settling with affected family (i.e. those whose loved ones were barbecued in otherwise minor collisions). They estimated the number of accidents incorrectly and lost millions. There's more to it than that, but you get the idea. MS could easily be wrong
pgdave
Obviously they have which is why they *aren't gathering your information*. Like - your computer already knows every single file you have, but people aren't chicken-littling that M$ is going to send all that data back to Redmond, this isn't really that different.
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
It's a microsoft product after all, how well can it actually work?
pgdave
As well as the office suite, or the .Net framework, or Sharepoint, or any number of their enterprise-level software that's robust and well designed. Or as poorly as Teams, or Windows ME.
NeoThermic
Just violating GDPR with this would be 10 million euros or 2% of their entire global turnover of the preceding fiscal year, whichever is higher. You double it if they're negligent (i.e. they knew it would violate and did it anyway). This can also be per infringement, so you'd at least have one per GDPR enforcing country (EU27 + UK). There's no scenario where you make more money from selling that data. For context, 2023's MS is $211 BILLION turnover, so each fine would be at least 21 billion.
vu1f
Assuming that's true (and you sound like you know what you're talking about), maybe money isn't the angle (yet). Could be that they are just testing the waters, and using the response to tailor a less invasive version that can be expanded later on. Or to go full conspiracy nut here, maybe the payoff is blinding them...the best thing after being able to literally read minds is getting access to something that people use as a kind of proxy between themselves and the outside world. Data mining gold
NeoThermic
Honestly the real answer is going to be either MS scales back this to not do screenshots for the EU (and UK), or the while feature gets scaled back. This isn't the kind of thing you can bluff with regulators either. Further this kind of thing could never make it into government run versions of MS products, so I do think that MS knows this idea either has to be solidly on-device forever, or scale it back.
NeoThermic
And for anyone going "They'd not fine them that much!" in the back, Meta got fined €1.2 billion last year for just not having the right legal basis for processing data. GDPR has teeth and does bite.
Blud4BludGod
Yep. Have some family that works in the department of Google that was affected by the legislative compliance lawsuit brought against them by the EU a year or two ago (I am not knowledgeable enough to summarize the case, but I know it pertained to advertising/analytics practices). Whole division worked overnights for months straight to get the changes made by the deadline. Which, good. That's what should happen when a corp is not in compliance.
pgdave
Yeah, as a web developer I hate the GDPR because it complicates things, but as a consumer I appreciate it because it makes the web safer for everybody (not just those in the EU)
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
The UK has already started with "making enquries" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o
FoamingToad
"For example, users can opt out of capturing certain websites, and private browsing on Microsoft's own Edge browser will not be captured." - Suggesting this would not apply to none-Edge browsing, which would be a heck of a way to further encroach on the platform of non-MS Browsers.
NeoThermic
Aha, yes. Logical that GDPR-following bodies would start asking those questions now. Also thank you for the milk reminder!
PsistormIkura
As european, that's absolutely true. However my worry is how long this will be upheld for, until the increase in right-wing presence in european countries will weaken interest in that kind of stuff. The whole data storage debate has been going on for a while as well, and I genuinely wonder how long it will be permitted with the whole "protect the children" narrative after all. Yes there are laws, but it also would be 1/2
PsistormIkura
2/2 immensely profitable for many players as well as amazingly useful for more and more authoritarian governments as well.
NeoThermic
Data protection laws in the EU have generally trended over time to more protection for the people, rather than the opposite direction. That's why a lot of the effort by the RW is to attack the transit of encrypted data. That's the most vulnerable aspect currently.