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Szavor
I feel like the "or surveillance" parts is also extremely important...
Taalii
Almost like a company pledge is absolutely and utterly irrelevant. Needs laws with teeth.
PixelSprite64
llebkcir
well that just fucking sucks
FineNevermind
Seems their goalpost keeps being moved whenever it's convenient.
adamsonpaul5772
Why is Google building weapons?
OhIfIMust
MoopsyLD
Good knowing how shitty all the AI is i cant wait until they royally fuck up and lose millions.
relevantPop3771
"lose millions"-as in, um, lives? Yeah, I can wait much, much longer for that to happen, but unfortunately, I don't think that'll be to far away.
keys79
SJBSavageInk
Google is 100% sucking the Velveeta voldomorts dick. You can tell because of typing in "how to impeach t" and it doesn't auto fill but auto file literally every other president
GenericValue
Actually I checked this and give it a try with the letter d
SJBSavageInk
Ooo it wasn't doing it the other day with either d or t!
phunkiejunkie
Not in favour of AI, but Humans haven't exactly been doing a great job of, well... *gestures broadly at everything*
aPokal
How dare you. Everything includes porn.
TheUnstoppableWampas
Hackers are about to get a 1000% power upgrade.
wadatahmydamie
Yeah? Wonder where Sundar Pichai is hanging out these days. Or Ruth Porat.
Miyamotofan
Silly question: what worth is a pledge if you can just drop it at any time?
MightyIink
China social credit system is coming to America.
DarknessOfIce
This will work itself out, because Google will have to train the AI using Google employees, and then the AI will be trained to attack Google employees. Just like that time the Soviets tried to train dogs to attack tanks.
NSFWfrontpage2
Is that Google's decision to make? Shouldn't something like that be regulated by the government anyways?
Zange0
There's a difference between 'We will not make AI weapons' and 'We will only make AI weapons if it's legal'
Felimelinesk
SteveD31415
No, but the person who controls the computer can be. From the immediate user all the way up the chain of command.
LoveThieves
Google even admitted that "AI is likely to cause harm..."
BaldBandit
I recall an experiment within the last few years or so where they put AI into a Predator-type drone. The AI was only to identify targets and request permission to fire, with a human operator pulling the trigger upon positive ID. The AI was given a reward for successfully ID'ing a target to fire upon.
What they found after declining to fire on several targets was the AI determining the control tower was responsible for the denial. It began to flag the tower as a possible target.
LoveThieves
AI is learning about self-preservation. scary shit.
ThatPug
Don't worry they'll reverse this fast when they find out it still can't really see black people.
KAPTAINKAMIKAZEE
I remember reading something where some marines outsmarted it by simply crawling around under a box
rbudrick
Underrated comment.
barnwolf
Didn't you hear? DEI is over, soon black people aren't allowed in the military anymore.
BeaverOnFire
Oh thank God! The worthiness of a human being to kill other human beings should be judged by their ability to produce vitamin d! /S
ThagSimmons
Then you've gotta hire white people to follow around the black people to activate all the sensors for them.
WillWasThere
That show was so amazing! It actually wouldn't work today cause companies nowadays make veridian seem like the good guys.
SageIdiot
Veridian Dynamics. Diversity: just the thought of it makes these white people smile. We believe everyone works best when they work together, even if they're just standing around. Just like we enjoy varieties of food, we enjoy varieties of people. Even though we can't eat them. At Veridian Dynamics, we're committed to a multiethnic workplace. You can shake on it. Veridian Dynamics. Diversity. Good for us.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
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IamAlbertPotato
Now we can add Terminator to Hunger Games and Handmaids Tale to the list of 'was entertainment now America's future'.
wonderwink
Ah. The terminator uprising can begin.
schrodingerscatfood
“We’re not gonna make it, are we? People, I mean.”
ChicanoBatman
I started saying that in 1978, and the pace of degradation seems to be increasing at an alarming rate. But we were never going to make it as a species anyway. Too fragile.
BeaverOnFire
Citing the ancient writings.
reineseele
As a fellow human who is doin the human stuff, i can only be happy about the opportunities these open up for all the humans.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
SharkyTowers
Thanks for doing a slightly more understated "SKYnet" reference.
Captainplanetmotherfucker
"It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
ontarioOT
cloverleafbane
I’m beginning to think that google may not understand what a pledge is.
BullittGT
RummageSaleBubbler
So what's the remaining non-evil big tech companies?
Meta's out, Google's out, Amazon's out, Tesla's out?
Leaving: Microsoft, Nvidia, and Apple?
Pulsifer
Microsoft is kind of like the UK. It has a shit legacy it isn't really keen to talk about, but it is making an effort to rise above and be serious.
Nvidia is more like someone who's faced with a pile of money and a leafblower pointing their way. They've never "had" to fuck their core consumers to make their investors richer, but their inner slut does come out whenever an attractive new market segment bats their eyelashes at them.
Apple does good out of spite.
RummageSaleBubbler
> Apple does good out of spite.
Lol
Pulsifer
Yeah, but kind of? All this cloud AI stuff? Apple goes hell no, on the edge, i.e. on your mobile device. That's good. Privacy? Screw Zuckerberg and the ad market, private data is private. That's good.
But if try to _make_ them do good? Then you can fuck all the way off. Implement USB C? Sure, enjoy USB 2.0 data speeds on your $800 phone lol, suck it EU. Right to repair? We are going to make that shit so insufferably hard, malicious compliance barely scratches the surface.
TechnicolourFerret
We're down to non-profit developers. Linux, etc.
MisterValiant
VLC? It's hard to think of many.
TechnicolourFerret
Blender's up there.
omygodimonfire3000
Jeeves would never have done this
OhIfIMust
I miss Mosaic...
SmokeyIsTheBandit
Evil Jeeves probably would have though
SubtleOrc
Altavista might have ended up a little bit evil
poorwegian
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BeaverOnFire
boondoggle2025
They bought Boston Dynamics tho
ILogInToUpvote
Do n̶'̶t̶ ̶b̶e Evil
icer190
Don̶'̶t̶ be evil.
WGTBaal
Terms and conditions apply
OmnesMundiLardum
* Don't, be evil!
Climber4x4
google is evil
heyletsbefriends
that slogan was left behind a long time ago
Masonrig
Around the same time they left that slogan behind, yes.
Filanwizard
That slogan died the day they had their IPO. Public companies legally cannot refuse to be evil. If they try to be moral the CEO gets fired by the shareholders and they put a Yes Man in there.
gluttonygreedpridewrathslothlustenvy
Very true. I used to work for a company that I loved, a tech consultancy pushing the boundaries of software dev practices and guided by a radical leftist who matched with the Black Panthers in his youth and spent every ounce of energy proving that we were more than just about software...we were about giving back.
But he got old. He divested to a trust, the trust fast forwarded an IPO. The company almost immediately tanked after IPO. 30 years of legacy and amazing energy...gone.
Lugh314159
They LITERALLY removed that from their HQ lobby.
"We can't work under these constraints!"
Tom40
They just forgot the punctuation
ontarioOT
"Don't. Be evil!" -Lionel Google
dustygamedev
It's so crazy that they decided to publicly drop that motto. They could have just left it, it's not like it's a legally binding thing. It's like they wanted the world to know.
kyro
I think they did it because they knew we would use it against them.
Thing is, here we are doing it anyway.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It's dumb they did it in the first place. It's not like anyone expected a corporation to do actual moral good.
YouMayFindThisMildlyInteresting
For about 5 minutes in 1999/2000 Google were actually the good guys. Then they discovered selling ads against your search habits and got addicted to the billions of dollars of profits.
CleverGroom
They spend all that money on greenwashing and rainbow capitalism and everything else for a reason.
Not that all advertising buys are rational, mind you, but this stuff actually does work. Just this week people have been shocked--shocked!--to find out that Target is backtracking on DEI. They shopped at Target because Target's the GOOD evil corporate big box store! They're not like Walmart at all!
People are stupid as fuck, man. And they want to believe things that make them feel better.
SeeShark
I don't think people have to be stupid for that to work. We're just exhausted and willing to believe that we're doing something less unethical than all the other somethings.
CleverGroom
Absolutely, you're right. All of this compromises all our faculties.
KilroyLichking
people use to laugh at me 10 years ago when i said i wanted to go live in the middle of the woods and only visit civilization when i needed things i couldn't grow or make myself....
CptJohnYossarian
It shortened their list of potential clients/partners. How you gonna convince some evil corpo investor you're gonna make them money if it literally says on the wall, "we play by the rules." That's literal repellent to these fuckwads.
Metallica93
Oh, please. Like the original pledge meant fuck all, in the first place.
"I'll take Google's word for it!" - stupid people
aducksayswhat
Thing is you can bet the same cycle will happen again when it's convenient to believe in it. Some 'good' company giving out free kittens and nice platitudes will have people flocking to it, especially if it's in contrast to 'evil' companies with poor products in the same markets, get a load of customers captive, then follow the money, wherever it leads them.
aducksayswhat
I'd say amazon followed a similar path, for a while they were good, then enshitified. While you could say amazon is also a tech company, I doubt it's a characteristic exclusive to that sector. You've got to be prepared to move around and split from companies when required
Nightchime
But when they know that even such a paper-thin enforcement of morals needs to go, it's a pretty bad sign.
Metallica93
Not really. That means you took them at their word, in the first place. Pledges are meaningless, particularly when the one making them is one of the largest corporate entities on the globe.
TechnicolourFerret
There's still a distinction. By making thing change it becomes clear that Google using weaponized AI is now imminent if not already implemented.
Metallica93
What distinction? You guys thought they wouldn't go for this because of a pledge when the entire tech world is going all in on A.I.? Have you not heard of Google continuously breaking these pledges before?
I'm surprised I'm getting backlash on this. It's fucking Google, people. lol
TechnicolourFerret
The difference is "sometime" or "now".
Nightchime
I talk about the "logic" a company uses and you tell me that means I believed them? You don't have to agree with something to understand it.
Metallica93
Then... you know it's not a bad sign. Because it meant nothing. Something without meaning cannot be bad or good. The default state of a corporation is "Going to fuck people to make money."
taez555
I wonder how many seeing this pic think it's just like a shutterstock photo.
ontarioOT
Took me a second.
putcleverusernamehere
It is. From the future. (But not distant future)
zeusfdelta
Semphir
And how many would believe a rich person not only understanding that he has made a huge mess, but trying to fix it to save the world. That’s the most unrealistic part of the movie.
grhope
Elon would be like, get to the point, how is my company's valuation doing as a result?
OhIfIMust
LoveThieves
The movie is a bit old but still relevant.
Perkunas687
Is this a late 1900s movie?
blubberingbastard
It was the turn of the century, yes
taez555
It was a glorious summer of endlessly hearing You Could Be Mine on MTV and anticipating the new Gun n' Roses albums. God I feel old now.
Deathcameawienering
I remember having a Walkman and a boogie board going with my summer camp to the beach and rocking that song
RummageSaleBubbler
Background: Pic is from Terminator 2; topic is Skynet.
More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Dyson
> Doctor Miles... is the original inventor of the microprocessor which would lead to the development of Skynet, an intelligent computer system intended to control the United States military, but which would later achieve sentience and launch a global war of extermination against humanity.
OhIfIMust
"Inventor"
Kuiper
It's a dit disingenuous. He invented the neural net processor. But you're still correct as he really just reversed engineered it. Terminator is full of time paradoxes.
Kuiper
Funny enough, I think if the original Sarah Connor was assassinated by the Terminator in the first movie, skynet would never get sentient, since the original neural net processor would never be discovered after the first terminator was destroyed. Thus, wouldn't be able to be replicated, and thus no SKynet.
The original terminator would either find a place to go dormant, and never allow itself to be captured, or just self destruct.
So I see this as being the best scenario. But it sucks cinema
Heisanevilgenius
That doesn't really make sense. Either Skynet gets developed on its own regardless of whether it gets reverse engineered from its own technology in the future, or the two things are causally linked and you can't have one without the other. So Skynet has to fail in its attempts to kill her in order for the time loop to happen. There is no possible way for them to succeed in killing her and then prevent their own existence, by the movies' own logic.