Quick reminder to everyone that Dfens (Michael Douglas' character) was absolutely, unquestionably the bad guy. It is a well-written movie, and he is a very *sympathetic* bad guy, but he killed and terrorized innocent people - including the wife he abused and his kid. He made some great points about exactly how shitty society was... but he was definitely bad and got what he deserved.
i'm sorry, i'm honestly confused by this. when you open the post in a new tab or download them the file extension says .mp4 and not .gif... so do you make them as GIFs locally and imgur just converts them to an mp4 because of space reasons? or do you yourself convert them to mp4 before uploading?
So you got it perfectly, the GIF files are uploaded as GIFs, and if you use certain downloaders they are downloaded as the original GIF files, but imgur converts them once they are uploaded and displays them as either GIFV or MP4, not sure how they decide. lol I know it's confusing.
That's.. not good. If you see yourself actually relating with him, you need to seek help. He was the villain through and through who many understand to hold racist beliefs to motivate/try to justify much of his anger.
It's a great story that taps into all the things that the average person finds aggravating about society and wishes they had the power to do something about, but also illustrates all the worst ways of trying to regain a sense of control. The world can indeed drive you to madness, but you have to be careful not to respond to it by taking out that madness on others who are just as stuck in it as you are.
Michael Douglas’ character is an absolute villain. He justifies escalating violence and bigotry as a form of righteous indignation. He lashes out at innocent people, blames others for his failures, and refuses accountability, masking his cruelty as victimhood. He should be as relatable as any mass shooter who killed 2 people, injures at least 2 more, and traumatizes dozens.
But he is understandable as an actual legitimate victim that instead of seeking help he chose to spiral. Instead of offering help society facilitated his spiral. He is just as much a victim of society as he is a false martyr to his own actions and perpetrator. His character is compelling, pitiable, relatable, and vile. Completely unjustified but understandable. And a litmus test for media literacy and compassion capacity.
Full of anger, doesn't know where ti direct it. The world changed and he couldn't adapt. He grew up under the idea that if you work hard, you succeed, but instead he worked hard and was let go by the company he helped. He sees an america in decline and no one seems to care.
Guy's smart enough to work designing things as a defense contractor, but seriously lacked or refused to be introspective. So instead of blaming his company boss, or himself for those two failings, he goes after society.
Na, it shows earlier as well, just apparently racism's not a big negative for alot of folks. Then harrasses his wife throughout afterward, this is just the full mask off.
There's a scene where a literal neo-nazi praises Bill and expresses kinship with him saying they were like other people, which Bill lamely denies because he doesn't see himself as being as bad as an actual nazi, but like, the nazi wasn't really wrong to assume they were similar. If a nazi thinks you're worthy of admiration you've gone down the wrong path somewhere.
My current psychiatrist started our sessions with something along the lines of "yeah ever since COVID, anxiety and depression have shot through the roof. There are real, terrifying problems, and I'm hoping to help you cope with them and have a good life anyway." Instant connection.
His problems were also largely his own fault. He was out in traffic in the first place because he refused to acknowledge he had lost his job, even though his mother was terrified of him. He lost his marriage because he was an abusive father and intimidated his wife. Not to mention a lot of his issues were small potatoes to him. Coke is expensive? Suck it up. Get another job you bigot. I notice your briefcase wasn't full of resumes. And fast food sucks, don't eat it.
Nobody said he was a good guy, though? That's the whole point of the movie. The villain just happens to be the protagonist. Being unable to accept current circumstances is a legitimate problem that many people have. Prices at the time prove that shop owner was over-charging for Coke. He couldn't get another job, as nobody would hire him. He specifically speaks about this. The fast food was an allegory for how we're all lied to and we shouldn't have to tolerate it. "Suck it up" helps nobody.
I remember "relating" as a child. Recently rewatched. Could no longer relate to shooting up a diner for closing the breakfast menu one minute early. His character seemed like he'd be a trump supporter today.
Same here. As an angry teenager I thought this movie was 'cool'. He was making 'society' pay for what they had done to him; how beautifully cathartic I thought... Apparently so did a ton of other people; the movie was wildly successful making almost $100MM. I also rewatched it recently and all I felt was sadness; that was unexpected...
Interesting take. It does feel as if we all have a deeper understanding, or more personal response to these global issues now. Maybe movies like this are what educated us along the way.
I'm definitely far more empathetic than I was in my youth (again, I was a very, very angry teenager) but when I reflected on why I was sad, it was due to his lack of self-awareness. Which... is.. kind-of the point of the movie, LOL. Unfortunately, it's also how ~90% of humans exist, so the lesson is lost on most of us. It was lost on me at-the-time. I saw my own, once pathetic self & was (rightfully) sad.
Cultistchan
this is just me at work getting ready to have a break down and trying to decide if I want to just crash out
Deadpool854
gorgeousninja
Michael Douglas showed the way but few have stepped up to follow.
FuzzyMedic
... I'm the bad guy?
Ardback
Let's upvote D-FENS !!!
MechaNinja
Hey BFMZ, did you ever do any Buckaroo Banzai? I'll find them myself, happily, just want to know if there's a reason to look.
AgingVideogamer
On fire today BFMGZ.
whovars
such a great and sad film
relsky
Quick reminder to everyone that Dfens (Michael Douglas' character) was absolutely, unquestionably the bad guy. It is a well-written movie, and he is a very *sympathetic* bad guy, but he killed and terrorized innocent people - including the wife he abused and his kid. He made some great points about exactly how shitty society was... but he was definitely bad and got what he deserved.
CyanideBreathMint
matracokura42
What's Labrador?
Chort26
keppler38
Im glad he cooled off. He looked ready to snap.
Primotimewaster
I have twice tried watching this movie. Both times, I was interrupted within 5 minutes by a phone call of a death in my family. No bueño.
ProxyPlayerHD
can they be considered GIFs if they're MP4s?
BabyFarkMcGeeZax
The GIFs are considered GIFs.
ProxyPlayerHD
i'm sorry, i'm honestly confused by this. when you open the post in a new tab or download them the file extension says .mp4 and not .gif... so do you make them as GIFs locally and imgur just converts them to an mp4 because of space reasons? or do you yourself convert them to mp4 before uploading?
BabyFarkMcGeeZax
So you got it perfectly, the GIF files are uploaded as GIFs, and if you use certain downloaders they are downloaded as the original GIF files, but imgur converts them once they are uploaded and displays them as either GIFV or MP4, not sure how they decide. lol I know it's confusing.
BabyFarkMcGeeZax
I think it just makes it easier on their site. The original GIF files are even better quality than what imgur chooses to display.
BabyFarkMcGeeZax
And then they dissappear..
mak10z
every year I relate more with this character. hes not a role model.. just I see where he's coming from.
CerisCinderwolf
That's.. not good. If you see yourself actually relating with him, you need to seek help.
He was the villain through and through who many understand to hold racist beliefs to motivate/try to justify much of his anger.
doctorId
It's a great story that taps into all the things that the average person finds aggravating about society and wishes they had the power to do something about, but also illustrates all the worst ways of trying to regain a sense of control. The world can indeed drive you to madness, but you have to be careful not to respond to it by taking out that madness on others who are just as stuck in it as you are.
gablestout
Michael Douglas’ character is an absolute villain. He justifies escalating violence and bigotry as a form of righteous indignation. He lashes out at innocent people, blames others for his failures, and refuses accountability, masking his cruelty as victimhood. He should be as relatable as any mass shooter who killed 2 people, injures at least 2 more, and traumatizes dozens.
Asadsadsadclown
But he is understandable as an actual legitimate victim that instead of seeking help he chose to spiral. Instead of offering help society facilitated his spiral. He is just as much a victim of society as he is a false martyr to his own actions and perpetrator. His character is compelling, pitiable, relatable, and vile. Completely unjustified but understandable. And a litmus test for media literacy and compassion capacity.
VictusVonGuyver
Full of anger, doesn't know where ti direct it. The world changed and he couldn't adapt. He grew up under the idea that if you work hard, you succeed, but instead he worked hard and was let go by the company he helped. He sees an america in decline and no one seems to care.
Guy's smart enough to work designing things as a defense contractor, but seriously lacked or refused to be introspective. So instead of blaming his company boss, or himself for those two failings, he goes after society.
SinStar87
https://imgur.com/5baSNwh.mp4 My favorite scene, really shows how he's such a piece of shit.
crcinau
... but only does this *AFTER* you start to identify with the guy who just can't seem to catch a break.
That's what makes it brilliant...
SinStar87
Na, it shows earlier as well, just apparently racism's not a big negative for alot of folks. Then harrasses his wife throughout afterward, this is just the full mask off.
crcinau
If you view it through todays standards - but in 1993? Yeah - that was normal and accepted. The "this is a product of its time" certainly holds true.
doctorId
There's a scene where a literal neo-nazi praises Bill and expresses kinship with him saying they were like other people, which Bill lamely denies because he doesn't see himself as being as bad as an actual nazi, but like, the nazi wasn't really wrong to assume they were similar. If a nazi thinks you're worthy of admiration you've gone down the wrong path somewhere.
SinStar87
flied rice type of mockery and 'speak american' was considered racist in 1993 far as I remember tho I was only like 5.
MadJuansReturn
When I had to do anger management. I recommend this movie as an examples of why a lot of us were angry.
TheOldSchoolisBack
User name checks out,
MechaNinja
My current psychiatrist started our sessions with something along the lines of "yeah ever since COVID, anxiety and depression have shot through the roof. There are real, terrifying problems, and I'm hoping to help you cope with them and have a good life anyway." Instant connection.
MadJuansReturn
Gods that's the truth. Sometimes I miss my session but when they were one-on-ones. In a group format, no I don't.
MechaNinja
I've never had to do group, and I've never heard anything good about it from introverts, so fuck group.
BC2k2
Yeah as an introvert that had to do group, it took a LONG fucking time before I was comfortable
Amandalorian
What movie?
MadJuansReturn
Falling down
earthlingextraordinaire
MadJuansReturn
Exactly how I felt in that group lol
earthlingextraordinaire
RAJrios
What mirror, where?
NaughtyGod1
His gripes were *mostly* legitimate; a lot of us could relate. The problem is he made HIS problems, OTHER peoples. //i.imgur.com/WPwhRDS.gif
Lampmonster
His problems were also largely his own fault. He was out in traffic in the first place because he refused to acknowledge he had lost his job, even though his mother was terrified of him. He lost his marriage because he was an abusive father and intimidated his wife. Not to mention a lot of his issues were small potatoes to him. Coke is expensive? Suck it up. Get another job you bigot. I notice your briefcase wasn't full of resumes. And fast food sucks, don't eat it.
astrangehop
If a nazi tries to hold you hostage though, absolutely stab him with a switchblade.
Lampmonster
Oh for sure. Also the gangsters had it coming. That's why it's a good movie, on some levels he's right. He's just not a good guy.
TheTitanz0r
Nobody said he was a good guy, though? That's the whole point of the movie. The villain just happens to be the protagonist.
Being unable to accept current circumstances is a legitimate problem that many people have. Prices at the time prove that shop owner was over-charging for Coke. He couldn't get another job, as nobody would hire him. He specifically speaks about this. The fast food was an allegory for how we're all lied to and we shouldn't have to tolerate it. "Suck it up" helps nobody.
romkyns
I remember "relating" as a child. Recently rewatched. Could no longer relate to shooting up a diner for closing the breakfast menu one minute early. His character seemed like he'd be a trump supporter today.
NaughtyGod1
Same here. As an angry teenager I thought this movie was 'cool'. He was making 'society' pay for what they had done to him; how beautifully cathartic I thought... Apparently so did a ton of other people; the movie was wildly successful making almost $100MM.
I also rewatched it recently and all I felt was sadness; that was unexpected...
HillOfBeans
Interesting take. It does feel as if we all have a deeper understanding, or more personal response to these global issues now. Maybe movies like this are what educated us along the way.
NaughtyGod1
I'm definitely far more empathetic than I was in my youth (again, I was a very, very angry teenager) but when I reflected on why I was sad, it was due to his lack of self-awareness. Which... is.. kind-of the point of the movie, LOL. Unfortunately, it's also how ~90% of humans exist, so the lesson is lost on most of us.
It was lost on me at-the-time.
I saw my own, once pathetic self & was (rightfully) sad.