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Work of a designer and coder
Yes, that's the whole truth of life.
Aug 19, 2020 11:16 AM
frorexstudio
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2290
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Yes, that's the whole truth of life.
BednaR
So... who earns more?
aAaaAaaaAAaaaoh
Programmers, usually, by a lot.
magiin
As a designer, have to disagree. At least 60% of my job for years requires also knowing html/5, css, wordpress, all social media specs, etc.
TheToweringMothlord
As a graphic designer who is doing that right now, extremely accurate. Yes I "need" 3 hours to pick a font.
IndianJoe
Fonts are like Legos. You know exactly the one to use, you saw it 25min ago when you didn't need it and you're trying to find it back since.
CreeewDeeeTaaay
I am in this photo and I don't like it.
lindsaysaur
As a designer, this is annoying. I 100% respect coders, but designers have a very specific skill set in order to do creative problem solving
ARealDjentleman
You chose to be a coder.
sadurdaynight
Problem is each programmer brings their pet language to work with, so you end up having to support too many languages.
aAaaAaaaAAaaaoh
At a real company, this should not happen. Who the fuck would approve of that PR?
sadurdaynight
This is the current issue in analytics and data sci. SAS, python, r, etc. Companires trying to consolidate to one.
cjbatz666
I do both and the design side can be just as taxing as the code side. Frankly, I prefer the code.
notsteve
I've done both. They come with different problems. It's not just "logo left or right." Devs are introverts who most likely don't want to 1
notsteve
deal with the feedback and notes from stakeholders. Design is more political. Everyone has opinions. Dev is hard because people say 2
notsteve
"build this thing that doesn't make sense, and do it by a week ago."
hellalaura
as a dev, I respect and value our designers! they make amazing, intuitive UIs with so much thought put into every detail. they deserve love!
fskn
*bangs desk* Thank you!
Iron0rc
As a designer, I respect and value our devs! They make designers job actually real with so much thought put into every line of code. Love ya
indigovariant
+1 (also dev here)
sbristow
Thank you for saying that. I work in UX, and getting to work with user-centered, empathetic devs like you results in quality products.
Valhalla358
100% agree. Instead of an uphill battle it’s a full on collaboration. Makes all the difference.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
If you ever feel down, look at old Blender and remember that is what happens if you let devs do the UI/UX. You guys are needed. Esp. in OSS
mytemp2
What's the track behind "coder"?
RaakTheGreat
It’s all fun and games until you let a programmer do the design, then we’ll see who laughs last ?
yrddraig
Amen.
LadyKrustyMustacheRemoval
Always with the htop
dougg76
labeled CSS ugh
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
As a data analyst: I have to do both. So I use code to create the "design" part of the work.
zintrium
Where is Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V ?!
yesyoucancancan
If the programmers were capable of talking to the customers they could also be the designers. I saw it happen, once.
mdh148910
If designers could solve problems, they could also be programmers.
Prekator
Just change the name to consultant, then you have developers talking to customers
oldmanwalker
Designer is middleman between dev and product mgmt
cosmicbovine
I'm a little tired of being stereotyped. I'm a programmer and my social skills developed just fine, thank you.
heytheretaylor
heytheretaylor
BS. Designers aren’t any better at talking to clients. That’s what PMs are for.
mdh148910
LobsterBandito
This doesn’t explain why it takes the designer months to get me finalized designs that aren’t even possible.
notsteve
Shitty designer? As a designer who used to do front-end there are plenty of designers who don't understand implementation.
AmbroseGudmaker
I'm currently working with a designer who took it upon herself to learn some of our API. That is say is above and beyond.
notsteve
Definitely above and beyond! Good for her!
EatsAlone
What’s TTD?
logicalawesomeness
Might be a typo. It's TDD. Stands for Test driven development. The idea that you write tests for your code first to minimize bugs.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Transport tycoon deluxe of course
justareallylongemailaddress
Chief Doodler vs Chief Implementer
SpammaJamma
Had a meeting on what color blue should be used. They looked exactly the same, and it lasted 3 hours. Next day, they went with green.
opetchas
Yeah, see, I couldn't do that. Just let me code.
faldo84
Used to work in government. They’d have you design it in the green then a month later go back to blue and redo it all
iceynyo
CSS root vars FTW.
lovingspace
Sure, but exactly what shade of green?
ethicallysourcedcannedtuna
GIS Analyst here. I'll make 4 maps. Spend 8 hours on edits etc then they decide none were necessary.
iceynyo
As long as they pay for those hours they can do whatever they want with my work, even toss it.
ENCHANTMEN
https://youtu.be/DjRd9h8xBiE
kaldyra
i have similar experience, but it was about orange and green plus few button shape, only last 2 hours but have 10+ peeps involved
trapdoorogre
There is a blue color called bice. It is pronounced as a swedish word for poo. Pink is a swedish word for pee.
Cha0sForever
Had a client one who complained their demo was dull (it was grey scale with no theme applied), as a joke made it pink. They paid upfront ?
pinkevilgirl
Been there, done that, did not murder them. So I think I did good even if my smile was as strained as Dolly's brah.
stephenhawkinson
This guy gets it
BlowOnItAndStickItIn
I had a 1 hour meeting about a button which resulted in scheduling another meeting with more people which resulted in removing the button.
Bystandr
Tomorrow the boss will be in with a blue shirt and you will have to match the 'cornflower blue' shade exactly.
DrDred
https://youtu.be/OUoKrdB9BjU
LateChrononaut
deathpeppers
"We kept it gray."
DimwitF
https://youtu.be/BKorP55Aqvg Old, but timeless.
opetchas
I'm getting flashbacks
JackOfAllTirades
One of the best shorts out there for anyone who has ever attended a business meeting, ever.
DimwitF
I was pleasantly shocked to find there's a whole series!
Zephyr86
Im afraid to ask but how far away from reality is this?
kaldyra
ppl would do "mature talks", dodge details that they dont understand, want to contribute, and push you to do their idea so they earn credit
diage
The likelihood of something like this happening scales with the number of managers in the room.
WhyAreYouASmugBellend
Was it cornflower blue?
krahsh
You guuuuys, we aren’t supposed to alktay aboutyay ightfay ubclay!
binaryspike
Dang that reminds me of the old XNA days
superduperyooperthatspissedoff
Periwinkle
mugman1
already showed it to my man here
phillain
He’s obvious a developer because the typography of the logo and input fielda are rediculous.
logicalawesomeness
And you're obviously a designer because your typing is atrocious. ?
phillain
It gives me a chance to charge for another revision.
brutalnooodle
Unpopular opinion: designers have to work with subjectivity in an objective business environment, which is much harder than it looks.
lafemmenikita
As a designer, the trick is to make it *not* subjective and find the right metrics and UX tests & research to make your quality measurable
Mattehoernchen
Amen! No place for personal opinions in ux
brutalnooodle
100%. That’s exactly the reason I’m trying to move from visual design to UX. The money doesn’t hurt either.
Valhalla358
If you figure it out. Let me know. Trying to do the same. But specifically product focused.
brutalnooodle
I recently did a UX bootcamp through Springboard that I would highly recommend. Visual design experience + UX knowledge is a strong combo
Mattehoernchen
The work of a designer lies 10% in design and 90% in contesting design decisions in the world where every ass has an opinion.
Splosions
And to clarify, neither are IT support. Coders and Designers typically have no idea how to troubleshoot their PC issues.
thesmelge
Yeah, right. I got hired as a junior dev, expected to do networking, hardware, IT support and anything vaguely technology related.
thesmelge
Some days I barely get time to actually do my proper job.
Hrafna55
So they wanted a experienced sysadmin who can do junior dev work.
thesmelge
It started out assisting with that stuff, but then the seniors all quit and I'm the only one who can do it all now. Still not worth a raise.
altrdgenetics
did that side, then became a coder that is in a position that also supports other coders... coders can't even troubleshoot their own code.
Svereki
Are you sure your not a coder who supports coders in a automated test team who also supports the main Dev team, who only develops for a part
mormacil
I miss the moment when the devs have to make a choice without a design and made the least user friendly solution possible
ClimateChangeIsAlreadyKillingUs
A friend, a classic coder, doing "design" 'cause anyone could do it. He made such ugly designs, that customers canceled projects regularly.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Yup, as a dev, NEVER let your devs design Ui/UX stuff. Otherwise you get old school blender.
aAaaAaaaAAaaaoh
If you have a weakness, maybe you should learn it. Knowing good UX is important if you work with FE code. I often argue with designers.
sadurdaynight
Neither of these people are trained in UX. Coder just codes. Designer does what looks "cool". UX sucks, so customers hate using it.
ourari
Kinda like Imgur's new design.
sadurdaynight
(users) I created the album. how do I post it? (imgur) first, click this, then this, then fuck off and re-upload them all in a new post
IndiePixels
As a person having both of these things as a job I can start to this being the case (though design has its own struggles)
IndiePixels
Start was supposed to be attest
Spaceygirl84
But Do coders get paid more than design on average?
brutalnooodle
On average, definitely yes. But there are certain design specialties that match developer salaries, like UX and Product Design.
Valhalla358
I do both. I find design harder because there’s always a better different way. And everyone can have an opinion. Code is not subjective.
Valhalla358
All of the code is subjective comments are 100% right. I ran out of characters and I dont ask my customers for code review. So it’s my way.
dinBror
Ask for some reviews and your code will be subjective real fast.
Valhalla358
Haha so true.
verbumdroll
Code is subjective in a way. People have code “styles” and preferences
Valhalla358
Naming convention preferences can end a relationship.
Nikarion
As the only coder in my company that knows CSS, my teammates always say I get a thousand yard stare any time the client wants a new look...
Valhalla358
Haha ? same. I get pulled in anytime a customer says the word “branding”.
gakio12
Trust me, there is always a better way with programming as well.
IHaveTheWorstGaydar
My degree is in design and that’s how I started my career. Now I’m an engineer and it’s so much less stressful, for me at least.
Valhalla358
Yeah. Client facing branding is like the most humbling job ever. Even when you’re right you’re wrong.
IamNotFunnyNeitherIsMyUserName
As a developer, can confirm.
SilverNicktail
I once got a "bug report" from the designer that my logo placement on a site was 0.6 pixels different from the designer's photoshop mockup.
SilverNicktail
Go fuck yourself, designer. Subpixel positioning with browser rendering engines? Learn how websites work before designing one.
jennym123
I swear, my job flips between banging my head against a desk and casually making sweeping changes.
GabrielBaldern
"Hey team, I made some changes that shouldn't break anything but if you see something funky please let me know"
9837265498
Dev is a decent mix of surgical sniping by a trained assassin and glassing the whole planet from orbit. It stays interesting, if a bit tedio
9837265498
Tedious*
varsipieru
As a designer I really enjoyed working with good developers. Both professions combined always delivered best results.
mgvd
Borh are creatieve professions, if you're doing it right
TheWhiteBarry
As a developer I love you designers. I just have to make it work, then you make it pretty which I'm woefully unequipped to do ?
varsipieru
And you devs always come up with best ways to make it work even when we want to add undo to a DB that didn’t support it <3
FattyMattyTurdFace
Been watching for an hour now, does that designer ever decided how much indent?
DaveSamsonite
Tab not space bar
pattyymac
actually, if you wait til the 2 hour 20 minute mark you'll see he just gives up
Mechame
Nope, instead he wrote a vscode plugin to randomly insert 2, 4, 7 spaces or \t, but still render it as 5 spaces.
spookyactionatadistance
Put it in a damn container, give it a width and margin:0 auto the fuck out of the element.
Nikarion
Or just absolutely center it with a left:50% and translateX(-50%). Bonus points for vertical centering as well.
spookyactionatadistance
That was my first call. It's what I always use, specially for vertical. That trick is not common enough.
afutureme
Guys we got grid and flex box now, time to leave those CSS hacks behind
spookyactionatadistance
I use grid mostly either my own or sometimes Bootstrap. Sometimes you still need to vertically align a element in a div. I use a helper
jennym123
Doesn't matter. It'll always look a little off balanced.
Snooj
Paid by the hour.
Hurro
LOGO
spookyactionatadistance
The logo will rarely be just text so the bold tag isn't necessary and I haven't seen custom tags may work well with the JS frameworks but
fskn
The designers don't know much about (X)HTML.
Hurro
Well, last time I was coding was early 2000s, but thank you haha.
spookyactionatadistance
Oh. Well I may sound pretentious in my reply but I had to look up the center tag to find out it was html4. Now 70% of the job is Googling.
Hurro
No not pretentious at all. I pretty much rattled off all the HTML I know and went for the joke. Thats hilarious to me you had to look up
spookyactionatadistance
2) they are not great for SEO.
binaryspike
Center is not a custom tag...
spookyactionatadistance
The only place I've seen center tag is as a custom tag on JS frameworks and in HTML4 newsletters.
spookyactionatadistance
It's HTML4. That's not used anymore except for newsletters. HTML5 is there since 2008.
AyrA
But it's obsolete, so it might not work.
NateintheNorth
I have a design degree, you never decide that the logo is in the right spot, you just hit your deadline.
blubberingbastard
Design is all subjective. Some will hate the indent, some will love it. You never win, just do a little better each time.
electricwizard
You make an ace logo and then an Ms Paint one, they always pick the Ms Paint one.
VodkaReindeer
You do A/B testing and go with the indent the majority prefers.
Juliana818
Designers and coders - two groups that produce things no one will ever realize the hard work lol I guess that’s our job tho :)
blubberingbastard
Fravash
Any time I'd get fussy clients who want a million revisions, I'd eventually send back the first version and they'd almost always choose it.
Fravash
Not sure what causes people to do it but it works almost every time.
jesuswasanastronaut
I'd call it priming like priming a fuse. People tend to choose what they know/have seen before.
SliceOfScale
IMO they just wanna play designer themselves for a while. Had a client who always opened with “I could do it myself but I'm busy"
frorexstudio
Lol, really, but the work is really hard in both
SliceOfScale
I do both, rather code. Code is straight, create this function. Design is pleasing people who change their opinion each morning.
kordamachala
unless you are creating complex software for a process than no one *really* understands
kordamachala
"about that thing we want. turns out it must do something completely different. btw: we cant increase budget but you can make it so?"
SliceOfScale
That goes for both. Atleast you can reuse code, seldom design intended for the one client. Both have their battles, not sayin one is worse.
shepahrdjhon
As someone who has done both (IoT), it's kind of harder for the design stuff because you can just use a command line program for other stuff
FattyMattyTurdFace
Well our designers would take longer ?.
frorexstudio
Oh yeah
haquie
You guys have designers