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InnerUniverse
Making $18+ an hour was the only thing that allowed me to move back out on my own after the military.
DooksandPooks
People wonder why millennials live with their parents as long as they can. Affording to live when you are all alone in 2017 is terrifying.
Vyrro
^this.
johannes3
only truth here is boss = tool w/ good job; My minimum wage job in 1986 was $3.25=> $7.31 now. Current Fed minimum is $7.25.
coop61gt
Damn he was doing good in 80. I was making 4.25 hr and got a 10 cent raise that year. Minimum wage was around 3.50 I think.
evilcarp
Min wage was $2.80 an hour. You also didn't pay tax on overtime.
Vyrro
Geez... $2.80 in 1980 is still over $9/hr today
BigPoppaStuke
My job passes off a 2.5% increase in wage as a "raise". I know it's just inflation. That being said, I'm lucky they even recognize it.
somethingsomethingwittyhere
Even more f*cked up plot twist: Unpaid internship...
Jokeykilla
Im pretty sure thats been around for a while, my entire family did that for job experience.
AsrYeti
My parents and grandparents had unpaid internships. I get paid quite nicely at my internship. It just depends on where you go and what u got
adishdelish
Calculate your own wage shortcomings https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
ElbowDeepInAHorse
Holy moly, one click away from crippling depression!
llenox
Whoa...this hurt a little
FistfulOfAssholes
Looks like minimum wage has more buying power today than when I was working for it. 1996 for those curious. It was $4.25
TheRealEdwardRooney
Same here -- but that $6.68 in today's $ doesn't sound as sexy as OP's $18.73
FistfulOfAssholes
To be completely fair it was raised shortly after I started working. I was off on my year - 1995. And it raised in ‘96 and again in ‘97.
indiscriminateasshole
Isnt it interesting how if you look at any 20 yr spread, the effect is about the same?
indiscriminateasshole
1960-1980 $6 to $17.37
PenisShapedPoops
Looking at this link, it would help if you flip the dates. I think people are being misled into what their money would have been worth lol.
PenisShapedPoops
For a second I thought my hourly was worth $22 then but it's more like $9.50.
Killrapture
2.50 in ‘77 is $10.00 now. My dad was my age then...
BobbalishBobbus
Comparing to what my dad made at my age (which was around 40k in 1981), i should be making 100k/year...i make 37k
Killrapture
Economics; the most boring and uninteresting subject until you earn money
FamousestAnus
It hasn't gone up in over 20 yrs. What did ya expect?
Mumalot
And most internships want you to work for free.... i mean, for "experience".
sociallyparanoidadultchild
I worked in acute psych care for 6 years and we were spit on, bitten, kicked, stabbed, and verbally abused for $12.50 an hour. It's criminal
Imightbetrolling
Bootstraps. -clueless people on the internet & my uncle David.
joot
Now ask him how much a semester of college tuition cost at that time. How long can this hold up, while such clueless fucks make it worse?
Quenya3675
So stop voting republican, and try to change the minds of those who do.
WheresAUsername
This is whats wrong with america, people are only capable of voting along party lines
LiterallyYourMom
Don't worry, the rich spending will "trickle down" to the poor and it'll all even out!
Cizox
I have limited knowledge on economics, but wouldn’t increasing min. wage to $15 per say just increase nominal value, not real value?
OrangeRanger
More money in people's pockets, people will spend more, putting it right back into the economy. Where as now, people aren't spending it.
stagg572
And the price of goods stays the same *wink* while business structures built on not paying that level of minimum wage ensures failure.
stagg572
OR they automate jobs and the training gap pervasive in our society isn't bridged so we just collapse onto ourselves.
WheresAUsername
This is sorta correct, look at extremes, if you make nothing, you spend nothing, but if you make 50mil, you prolly don't spend much more 1/?
WheresAUsername
than someone making 10mil, the higher you raise minimum wage, the lower a percentage that goes back into the economy. You could probably 1/3
WheresAUsername
raise mw to around $10, maybe $11, but after that, money would stop going straight back into the economy and it would have a negative effect
twoguns1994
Shhh that doesn't fit the narrative.
ghsdkgb
Labor isn't 100% of the cost of running a business, though. If it's, say, 20%, then doubling ALL wages increases prices by only 20%.
KeeleonOhms
Unless youre a small business relying on labor. Of course it doesnt affect Walmart and Mcdonalds much.
ghsdkgb
If you just add $5/hr (or equivalent for salaried) to everyone's wages, the effect is even smaller.
Promethianfire
It's typically more like 30 - 40% of the cost http://smallbusiness.chron.com/percentage-business-overhead-should-payroll-66492.html
twoguns1994
But then the cost of the other products goes up due to your supplier's labor prices going up, and theirs. It's a chain reaction that just
twoguns1994
Contributes to more price hikes. Then you have to take into consideration the company will know everybody (not just his employees) are
twoguns1994
Making more, so now their greed comes in and doubles prices because they know people can afford it.
twoguns1994
They either increase prices or cut back on overhead... aka, the employees. Just look at Seattle, currently.
aselfdefeatingattitude
There's also the fact that increasing the buying power of the lowest paid will increase product demand.
aselfdefeatingattitude
It turns out the best way to stimulate the economy is to give money to people who will spend it, not horde it.
Counterfit
*hoard. But a horde of money makes me chuckle
aselfdefeatingattitude
*a bunch of wall street bankers running through a field* "FOR THE HORDE!"
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Booooooiqqqq
Or it redistributes salary from overpaid executives to the lowest paid workers, and consumer prices remain unchanged. Multiple variables!
Traja01
Lol
trebuchetguevera
Only if the economy consists entirely of minimum wage people, AND the wage market is pareto optimal. Neither is true.
Sabellion
If I could go back ten years in time, I'd slap my younger self for being strongarmed into 'higher education'. When I was in high school 1/??
Sabellion
anyone who didn't go to college was basically worse than trash. Like you weren't fit for anything but digging ditches. That you weren't 2/??
Sabellion
worth even considering to be a person if you didn't go. Now I'm stuck with 30k+ in loans because I tried to 'follow my dreams' and it's 3/??
Sabellion
brought nothing but misery. Said high school is in one of the poorest counties in the nation and of course I can't afford to move away 4/??
Sabellion
without assistance of some sort, and about the only job I could find even remotely relevant to my degree is at a local newspaper for 5/??
Sabellion
$9.75/hr for a 32 hr work week. College was and will be the worst mistake I'll ever make in my life and if I'm unlucky enough to sire 6/??
Smellmypoop
Move to northern Europe. I am under education, 19 years old, gets paid by the government to study AND I earn 26 dollars/h at my job.
5po0ky
The Nordics know what's up. All of those countries are near the top when measure individual happiness levels. The US is so far behind the
5po0ky
times it's embarrassing
SidewaysPedro
1/? DakuraSollek Yeah dude, we should all follow the US's example and elect a total halfwit as president!! Then we need to give him access
SidewaysPedro
2/? to the most powerful weapon ever created and the ability to end the world, we should also ensure that he has some sort of degenerative
SidewaysPedro
3/? disorder and more money than sense (ensuring he is totally out of touch with the "average Joe"). Also we need to build a wall
Hwy61B
I worked for $3.25/hour minimum wage in Ontario in the late 80's. Used the calculator and it came to $6.95/hour. Minimum wage is going to
Hwy61B
$14/hour in January. Wayyyyy better now than back then.
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bread1
Degrees don't matter unless it comes from a highly reputable institution. Remember education is a business of itself, they want your money.
NotaCPA
Damn kid. That Sucks. I make $32/hr No degree and I work from home.
thesupersonic
You hiring
DongLoversAnonymous
Are you a pimp?
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Sounds like you chose the wrong degree.
thesupersonic
Fuck off
lostinukraine
Why choosing the right degree is important. Oh look at me and my degree in woman’s studies. Why can’t I find a job
Iamhedonismbot
In 2006 i went to college full time. I also worked full time and made 5$ /hr. Tuition was 11k a semester
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
So you’re saying you worked 80 hours a week every week and spent every nickel on tuition? Because that’s literally the only way to afford it
Iamhedonismbot
Luckily I was so poor that most of it was paid for. Still it made it difficult to try and pay rent /utilities
TrueNorthernLights
The problem isn't exactly what people "make an hour" today, it's the fact that most jobs are part time. I had a job that paid $18.75 an -
TrueNorthernLights
- but had to give it up because it was only seasonal part time. 12 hours a wekk for only 5 months was not a lot.
TheSnacker
- hour, -
TrueNorthernLights
Thanks :)
urbestfox
Less bills in the 80s, no cell phones, internet and most people didn't have cable, so all of those bills was in the household
Promethianfire
Also $6 / hour was double minimum wage in 1980.
prfesser
Plenty of cable in the 80s. And phone was $20/mo (1980 dollars; $60 today) for local service plus 10-30 cents/min for long distance. (1)
prfesser
Oh, and you couldn't buy the phone yet; I rented it. Total phone typically $60/mo. ($180 today). I pay $120/mo for landline+cell+cable.
thedon89
Damn that's cheap, I pay 120/mo just for my cell and tablet
blackwidowsideboob
I pay 110 for just my phone
prfesser
Granted, my cell is a flat $30/mo, cable is the basic 70-odd channels, landline is a bundle w/cable...but it's all far better than 1980 had.
endrsgm
isnt that the truth. 1980s had some terrible phone and cable plans and they cost a bundle
Kailenrulzu
internet was around, cell phones were too but were extremely expensive(everyone had a landline though), and everyone did have cable. 1/2
Kailenrulzu
2/2 If you want comparison gas was cheaper, insurance was cheaper, college was cheaper, groceries cheaper, car&house payments were cheaper.
RollingTundra
Well minimum wage was only $3.10 in 1980 which is around $9.10 now so he was making damn good money even for that time period..
RollingTundra
Granted that doesn't change the fact that cost of living has increased exponentially since then.
armeggedonCounselor
3.10 is around 9.80 now.
IjustChangedMyNameToProveAPoint
Ooh, he was off by 70 cents
Inappropesmagotes
Thats a 13% raise from 9.10. Kindof makes a difference.
armeggedonCounselor
That 70 cent difference adds up to over 1000 dollars per year.
Alistairetheblu
And tuition has risen more rapidly than that.
Vyrro
1,300+% since ghe 70s
Popnfrresh
College is not necessary for a good life. There are plenty of careers looked down upon which dont require college and pay more than college
Alistairetheblu
That's not really the point though is it? $6/hr in 1980 covered college more than $18.73/hr now would.
Popnfrresh
One is a solution to the problem, the other is whining about a pay raise that will never happen.The rich dont stay rich by paying high wages
Woffenhorst
Greedy millennials. Just work harder!
ImmortalAzrael
Why don't they just stop being poor?
Ghost0fDawn
Okay supervisor sir, can I have some overtime? Whatya mean no?
bread1
Sure, but it will be unpaid.
nursingfool
Well, this time then... But it'll be seen as voluntary work. That's OK right ????
mikeatike
Work for exposure.
TheBlackVan
I can get you more hours, but it'll pay cash and I'm not gonna pay time and a half.
ehhhidunno
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
Or stop voting for social programs that increase the prices of everything and cause massive inflation making everyone poor as well.
WeedlordBonerLover69
yes the government is making everyone poor with... "social programs". did you learn economics from a cereal box?
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
Yes, social programs are extremely expensive which cause taxes to rise. Taxes on income means people earn less and taxes on goods means
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
means people pay more for everything, that's called inflation. You should read more cereal boxes.
Chpgmr
Like what ones?
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
Social security is literally taking money from Young people and Giving it directly to baby boomers.
GeraldMcSwagginthorp
Of course you're Russian and don't give a fuck. Go drink your vodka and drive your tank to the jeans factory.
Miclone92
According to this website, http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/l/65/1980 , tax rates were way higher then. "Sure" its all of today's 1/2
Miclone92
Social programs that are causing inflation. 2/2
mybliss
Not only is the minimum wage lower but also the tuition went up by a lot.
BetterDemosthenes
As someone who went to college in the 80's and now has kids that went to the same state college as I did, I can confirm you are correct.
Vyrro
Tuition increased 1,300+% since the late 70s
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
That's thanks to the government offering loans for bullshit degrees. Again, thank the government for rising cost of living and inflation.
SerialChillinSpree
Tuition has vastly surpassed the dollar inflation wise over the last couple decades.
jfoote
My tuition that year, large public university, $550.
Burstapples
So did the housing market and overall cost of living, but who needs the constant scale of all financials to be equalized? Surely not us?
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
My grandpa was complaining about lazy millenials. He said he worked ALL SUMMER to pay for HIS college tuition! smh...
wiilyc22
Overly easy access to money is why tuition went up, same as the housing market in the late 90’s-2000’s.
PastryNugget
And let's not forget where those blank checks came from...the federal government doing student loans.
HootSloot
Public universities receive a lot less funding from the state and spend a lot more to attract more students
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
Also of course colleges being allowed to be for-profit, which is what gives the incentive in the first place to jack up tuition
wiilyc22
Somewhat true, as they can jack the tuition up all they want. If no one can afford it, it is for naught. Gov handing out money is a problem
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
with much more reasonable tuition costs. 2/2
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
I'd say corporate greed is the root cause - there are other countries (like here in Germany) with government assistance for studying and 1/2
wiilyc22
1 I agree to an extent as the interest and implementation are flawed. I don’t know how Ger. does it, so I can’t speak to it. Students do
Triprw
Minimum wage should be low. It should only be used for unskilled uneducated people. If you want better paying jobs gain skill and education
DongLoversAnonymous
Lol what kind of jobs do you think people get while in college? Do you think you can pay for an education with a minimum wage job?
CheapWine
Interesting strategy. Let's see how this works for him, Cotton.
Triprw
I think there should be 2 minimum wages. One with highschool education one without.
Inappropesmagotes
When a minimum wage is low, it give employers an excuse to pay skilled and educated workers terrible wages.
Triprw
There should be a difference between a single parent supporting thier family and a 15yr old kid trying to buy the newest iPhone.
Inappropesmagotes
Not really. If they are both are working, they both deserve to paid fairly.
sh3nhu
It should be lower than salaried jobs, but it should still be livable.
Triprw
I disagree. Thete is a difference between a kid living at home and an adult. The pay should different too.
sh3nhu
But plenty of adults live on minimum wage. I agree dependents don't need to make living wages, but paying them differently will cause issues
Triprw
I don't see how. I should be able to hire a kid to do grunt work for less than I'm paying a 25 year old to open and close the store. 1/2
HansGrubersSuit
Min wage in 1980 was $3.10.
AreYourCatsMakingTooMuchNoise
Inflation!!!!
rejohnson365
They were paying a 70% tax rate, 5 times what a minimum wage earner was paying under Jimmy Carter
rejohnson365
Funny how the truth gets down voted
HansGrubersSuit
Whoa, whoa, whoa! No way someone making minimum wage has a 70% tax burden. I don't care who was president.
NGC5189
That's still $9.21 today.
armeggedonCounselor
You're being a bit too generous. It's closer to 9.80.
MajorPixel
That's more though. Am I missing something?
gaaaaalavant
In 1980 my dad could pay for a whole year of college tuition after working a summer job for 3 months, and have money left over for beer.
ButtsandBewbs
*Laughs in Swedish*
sangatster
Cries in American English with a Texas drawl
teal4two
In the 70's i paid half my $3000 tuition by working ~72 hours a week for the summer.
gaaaaalavant
I can't speak to your experience, and I don't know the specifics of my dad's case, but he claims to have paid every cent via summer work
gaaaaalavant
If he made $6/hr like OP's example and worked full time, he'd make $2880 in 3 months work. Avg. public school tuition in '80 was $2K/year.
sangatster
Wow, was it that low? I graduated with a BS in 1991 so I guess the trend was already underway when I was in school.
gaaaaalavant
These days you'd need at least $20K depending on what college you go to. That would have to be a very lucrative summer job.
ActuallyAPirate
Pimpin ain't easy
aFadingMemory
There is hardly such a thing as a summer job anymore. Fast food or some industry with high turn over maybe.
DefinitelyNotAShittyGameDev
Detasseling my dude, did it for the last 3 years
sangatster
Tuition, pharmaceuticals, healthcare, taxes, and stuff like having to pay $100+/month for toll roads that used to be "free".
1414145691
Man imagine making $18 an hour, and thinking "only $18, shit this should pay better"
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
I make 56k/year in a smaller city compared to most and I still need more. Student loans really fuck you.
CyranoDeBurlapSack
I make that, but remember taking way more bullshit for $12 as an assistant store manager for gamestop.
Jaron58
I make 18 hr and it aint easy
OverpricedCrayon
And trying to live off $7.50 is worse. When I finally got to $18 I was living like a king.
napsofweeds
Hell here in America I've been working 3 years at less than $15 and it's rough just to pay rent and food
bluesandwhich
Can I ask what your job is? Just interested to see how American wages compare to our Canadian wages.
napsofweeds
I currently work as a cultivator at a large production nursery in Washington state. Was a welder made roughly 26/hr then
Gonestarfishing
same here, and the company I work(ed) for just filed chapter 7. lucky I was able to scrape a tiny bit of savings together. shit’s rough.
napsofweeds
Yeah I hear you
aisoph
I make $20/hr and it still isn't that great after taxes.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I make about $25 on salary.
capughe
Assuming USD, I make a little more than that and feel pretty right on target for now. It wouldn't be enough if I had kids.
Imjusthereforthelulz
Danish guy here. I'm in college, and i work a couple of hrs/wk as a sub teacher, which is ~32$/hr. Granted taxes are higher here, but still
HereWeGoAgin
I make $40 and I want way more.
WachZilson
I make 20 and hardly make it
Straycat43
I work for a government agency and feel the same way. I’m making less than $18 too!
HEXADECIMAL
You can make that in construction many places in the US, it's just backbreaking dangerous semiskilled labor with zero work comp protection.
ilikefatfannys
If you are working on the books you have to have worker's compensation. The problem is a ton of labor jobs are off the books.
VerticallyGifted
Unless you've got half a brain and a couple muscles, you can be an electrician! Starts: ~$13/hr, 4th yr: ~$22, journeyman: $30+
VerticallyGifted
Good balance of brains and brawn, and not usually backbreaking. But be prepared to work.
L0rdAv0n
Where can I find a good paying labor job? I'm done with being a chef. Everyone I work with is retarded.
moistdaddy
Any ICI (industrial, commercial, institutional) construction union, GC or subcontractor.
hazelbunny
We're all retarded here in the construction field too.
jcoombs014
Working HVAC currently making 10/hr
HEXADECIMAL
In FL managers will tell you, you can file a claim, but you'll be "laid off" immediately after. Right to work=Right to fire.
Ingellvar
That happened to my father. Sued the company and three years later, after he died, we got $1200.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Ya, gotta make sure businesses are as un liable as possible for everything, else workers might have good lives!
ilikefatfannys
This exactly. I ran a mid size labor union and this is exactly what's wrong.
isaydefy
fast food was like that for me. I got hot grease in my eyes and management got pissed when I took a 20min break to let my vision come back.
Counterfit
"Right to work" is about unions. You're referring to "at will" employment. That said, worker's comp is usually required.
finniss
You're correct but there is a correlation. If you're not Union or Government worker, you're probably "At Will".
Counterfit
And retaliation for filing a claim is likely frowned upon by federal labor law
finniss
Happens all the time anyway. I know lawyers that advise their clients to lay that person off.
Wobbixx
"Oh, we just didn't like him. It had nothing to do with the claim"
Mikec311
I make a good salary. But I too say "this shit should pay better" probably because no OT and I work 65 hrs/Wk easy plus 32 hrs commuting/Wk.
mikeatike
Depends on what you are doing. In my line of work under $40 is peanuts.
flapperfemmefatale
I'd live to make that much an hour. One of my part-time jobs is close to it
ialwayssaywhyiupvotestuff
That’s literally every Australian over the age of 19
1414145691
again, US dollars
aberry9036
But the Australian dollar is pretty strong... 18 aud is pretty much 14 usd an hour.
MrsTaylaw
It’s about $24.70, so approx $940 based on standard 38 hour week. A lot of people would struggle in Aus on that if they have a family.
ohdearohdearohdeer
You are correct, you can't compare two currencies like they are the same, it's nonsense
vwyx
"Guys! I make 100 yen an hour!" "Todd, that's less than a dollar."
1414145691
people are stupid, nothing is new
confanity
Now imagine making a million dollars a year and wanting to take away people's health care in order to lower your own taxes. = GOP tax plan
ilovefupas
Seriously fuck minimum wage increase
tyro1
It’s funny because I make well over 25/hr salary and I still think that - goddamn student loans
immObeast
I make $17.50 an hr and I think that everyday.
BearicusMaximus
I think that but mostly cause I get to deal with shit and getting physically assaulted
aperfectlycromulentusername
That's exactly what you'd be thinking if they raise the minimum wage. That, or "gee I wish I had a job"
TexiTrap
I've never made more than 16 in my life
stvhunt132
I think it depends on your area, I'm at about $23 an hour just out of college and I am pay check to pay check
cking1
I heard someone say that once. I wanted to hit him in the face. Bastard
Nedlyest
I think that every day. But I only make 17.25. And do danger work. Should be 25+
DefinitelyNotARobot
I’m working a professional programming internship and don’t even make that. Granted I’m in a low salary area though.
LegVacuum
Yeah that's me in NYS, but every Friday I think "shit, this $18/hr is only $13.50 after taxes. man that $180wk could help pay student loans.
Textuality
I'm an accountant for a hospital and I only make $16/hr. Course, this area is really cheap to live in, so it's actually a good wage.
155DangerClose
that's where i'm at... I can barely afford $1000/m housing
ODSTsRule
... that would be like ... *calculating* 7 Euros more in my wallet.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
CNC operator - less than a 1-year cert at a trade school and you will graduate to a job making >$18/hr.
HahWat
hah I've thought that... I was selfish but it was a rough job
ruferto
i remember in highschool (~15 yrs ago) i was getting $15 an hour and it was decent... for a high school student. i couldnt imagine that now
rumbarious
Serious question here now, I'm living in Ireland and everyone I know who has the opportunity is all about going working in Canada or Aus
rumbarious
Is the money that much better for construction jobs?
bluesandwhich
In Canada the wages for construction and trades are pretty high. However, the cost of living is very high here. Not sure about Australia.
1414145691
aren't they all just working in tourist spots sleeping 10 people to a room so they can snowboard/beach on the weekends
casuallystalking
Entitled piece of shit.
1414145691
lmao strong reading comprehension
casuallystalking
Him not you.
1414145691
oh I get you, yeah for sure
Jushtan
Shit, I make a hair more than that and i still barely have money. No debt, but no savings either. Not broke, but still have to budget.
AreThoseMyPants
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mind-blown.gif
originalsh4rpie
how dare you link a gif on imgur from a non imgur source..
AreThoseMyPants
I've no interest in cross-referencing which gifs can be found on imgur already. Feel free to skip the link if that's a problem.
tooomanystevesgotbanned
If they were Australian dollars, that is exactly the case.
1414145691
yes but I'm clearly talking about the currency in the image... if you want to convert 18.73 into AUS dollars then do so?
lysithean
I think he was just making a point about Australia not correcting you but what do I know
1414145691
I know but without data about 1980's wages in australia and a seperate inflation calculator they're nowhere near the same thing
1414145691
it's a completely different currency for a start
ADedicatedDuck
Came here to say that
nursingfool
Vietnamese dollars (dong) then you really need to consider...
usersubbordercontrol
You can get over a thousand Vietnamese dongs, for just one dollar from America
Wermatch
Or Canadian dollars... where it’s you get a dollar the gov get 40cent out of it
TheHalfBlood
We have taxes in the states too...
moistdaddy
its 20% at $18/hr in ontario bud
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
was just gonna comment that my Aus friend said he wouldn't get out of bed for AU$20/hr, which is still US$15/hr. But yeah, surely the (1)
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(2/2)country will go to shit if we consider raising the minimum wage above $7.
Snowsuitup
Minimum wage in Aus is $18.29/hour which is $13.83 USD. Retail minimum is $20.08 ($15.19USD)
DontKillYuri
Wait, what? I got $9/h at my old job...
eddyfinnso
*dollarydoos
pixelsnader
Didgerydingos*
YesYouJustLostTheGameAgain
Do you have $1 kangaroonies??!!
ButTheyForgotAboutRae
Made me cackle. +1
usersubbordercontrol
Do you laugh at Dongs, pounds, rupees, dollars? Why laugh at Australian currency?
1414145691
lmao butthurt
ZombiePirateLeChuck
Username relevant
MissLadyPants
That's around what I make and with a mortgage and two kids in daycare that's exactly what I think
clide005
One kid $600 month for daycare. No assistance. Its crazy that's like a new BMW payment.
catromance
My nanny family paid 2800 a month and 2100 was just for their baby!
Broborygmos
This is while he was in college. And college back then was reasonably priced.
wheresthetoaster
I think it's crazy that it's easier for a couple to have one parent stay home to watch kids rather than both working and using daycare
MissLadyPants
Its not easier. Daycare is silly expensive. I'm actually going to have to quit my job. It would be around $600 a WEEK to send both.
wheresthetoaster
So it IS easier for a parent you stay home. Easier financially. You disagreed but your example is what I said...
MissLadyPants
Right but me staying home is going to make money tight, and we will be clipping coupons and staying home cause we'll be just scraping by.
aFadingMemory
Daycare is no joke, how the hell do you pull that off on $18/hr? I couldn't afford it for 1 kid making more than that.
MissLadyPants
I can't. With a 22mo and newborn I'm looking at close to $600 wk. I won't be able to go back to work after my maternity leave is over
BlessYourBeautifulHide
Can you just get a babysitter? I would babysit 2 kids for $300/week in a heartbeat.
FartedWhileMakingUpName
For ~40hr a week?
ILoveCreamPies
I just got my niece via CPS and $600/mo was what we were paying for a glorified sitter. Thankfully cps is helping a bit so now she goes
ILoveCreamPies
to an actual school. Could barely make it going from my dog being my baby to having a 2 y/o, no clue how you did that!
CongratsYouAreHereNow
dude i make more than 3x that and i live alone in a one bedroom apt and am broke until tomorrow's payday
bluesandwhich
I don't think you ever learned to properly manage your money.
KrampusCopia
1/2 Following the math you make over $112,000 a year. I barely make $30,000 and am in the same situation. This doesn't add up dude
KrampusCopia
2/2 did you have to stop wiping your ass with money for a few days? You sound like a politician trying to sympathize with the working class
h00di333
get out of the city.
NecronomiKane
I'm at 11.50 and fucking broke.
MissLadyPants
I actually have to quit my job and stay home because I can't afford daycare. I'd literally be working to pay daycare. Its silly
ThatMomentWhenTheUsernamesPerfectlyDescribeWhatYouNeed
That's why my wife is a stay at home mom.
SwedishTaxpayer
Just a bit curious... how much is daycare for a let’s say a 5 yo kid ? I pay about 110$ a month in Sweden btw.
bluesandwhich
holy! In Canada day care seems to be about $700-1000/ month for full time care for one child.
KittenMittensofSteel
My friend pays about $600 a month for 8 hours a day, 3 days a week. The place is considered cheap.
MissLadyPants
5 is About the same. I have a 1yo-$290 wk. And a newborn $330 a week. Prices are about average
kenmras
I'm at 2.5 kids $18/hr after 5 years. My wife works 15hrs a week/ barely brings home more than the babysitting but gives her sanity. Broke!
SendMePicturesOfYourDog
No one going to question the half child in your home?
NapAllDayPartyNever
i wonder if its a left/right or top/bottom half
Tombs360
Probably a kid from a previous relationship on either side that they have every other week/day whatever..
SendMePicturesOfYourDog
I was actually assuming an unborn baby
CityYeti
I make $17 an hour. I could get my own place if I had a roommate....that also made the same amount I did
orcbilly
Everyone no matter the role wants to be paid more. Work hard and you'll get past $18. That should be a 1 br apt livable wage for most people
casuallystalking
Fuck that. As a nurse intern I will only be paid $11/hour while doing all the work of a CNA and nurse student.
MarilynKerr1
Ah. But think of the glorious wages and doing some of the same scut work for the next 30 years! ; )
wargames
IT intern and making a FULL $10/hour USD
AsrYeti
Yea boi! Electrical Engineer intern making $18/hour USD doing simple wiring
wargames
so 6 USD in 1980's money.
AsrYeti
Lol almost
Skuldi
11? Damn. I get 2 euro something for five days per week and two at college.
casuallystalking
You are getting fucked over my friend d
theballsareonyourface
I feel your pain. I log 140 hours biweekly and barely clear $900 as a med intern. Just keep the light at the end of the tunnel in mind lol
casuallystalking
Jesus Christ, 70 hours.
Traja01
You get paid during your internships?
Counterfit
That's standard for medical internships, isn't it?
Traja01
I dunno, not in medicine. Just reacting because internships in general generally aren't paid.
CountessVonFingerbang
I actually never had an unpaid internship. I got VERY lucky: found 3 separate paid ones in college & 1 paid-ish (room/board) in grad school.
Traja01
Congrats! That's awesome. You can probably thank the FLSA for that.
CountessVonFingerbang
Totally. I had to turn down some really cool opportunities because I couldn't afford to go unpaid, but it worked out int he end.
casuallystalking
Yes, you are working as an intern, which is different from clinicals. It's a way for healthcare systems to get nursing care on the cheap.
o0xtina0o
Fucking shit. I made $12.50 as a CNA almost 15 years ago! How does any of this make sense?!
casuallystalking
Holy shit where do you live?
LiamNeesonOfficial
In a trade where exp. is expresssed in decades, that about right. Just remember, for more money, ALWAYS get another job every couple years.
LiamNeesonOfficial
If you only every work for 1 company, you can only ever work for 1 company. You need varied experience. Learning curve is scary, everytime..
LiamNeesonOfficial
...but necessary. If you stay at same place too long, you stop learning new things for your trade. That's fucking dangerous, long-term.
JohnG34897
Well technology has taken a lot of the skill requirements away from minimum wage jobs.
Traja01
Which is why universal basic income is an inevitability.
chase7436
*Should be. The rich always have the option of trying to enslave poor people or something.
chase7436
So? People should still be paid a livable wage for their time at work. If the business can't afford it, then maybe it's not a viable (1)
chase7436
(2)business model.
JohnG34897
Consumers drive businesses. If people refused to work with businesses that don't provide livable wages and paid the higher prices, (1)
JohnG34897
(2) then it would be fixed overnight.
chase7436
Right, except many people can't refuse to deal with them because they don't make enough to shop at stores with higher prices. A catch-22.
JohnG34897
So if everyone made more and prices when up to make that happen, would everyone be able to afford everything?
RaptorJesus89
So? Anybody working 40 hrs/wk should have enough to money for food, rent and expenses. If not, the burden of living costs gets thrown (1)
KeeleonOhms
If you are doing the same thing a 16 year old living at home can do why should you get paid more?
OrangeRanger
Because someone has to do it. Regardless of the job.
KeeleonOhms
That doesnt explain why they should be paid more tho. If theyre worth more they will make more. If theyre not too bad.
RaptorJesus89
That's partially true, but wages haven't gone up with the cost of living. Everyone working 9-5 should be getting paid more across the board
RaptorJesus89
(2) onto the government in the form of welfare. If a business needs a person to work a position, that position should pay a livable wage.
Traja01
ctrl+f "There is an additional and compelling" here. You'll like it https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/300/379/case.html
septillion
Or we could get rid of the stigma of welfare, since people are less and less necessary for the economy
AxelBeingCivil
Tragedy of the commons; companies will move elsewhere before they share the wealth.
JohnG34897
Ideally yes. I was simply pointing out that a mailrooom job of '82 probably required vastly more skills that one of today where computers(1)
JohnG34897
do much of the technically difficult tasks. Also, volume would be much less due to email and other technology.
twoguns1994
What about small businesses? Often they have to pay employees out of their own pockets because the company isn't generating enough revenue
twoguns1994
To cover their salaries. A minimum wage hike will end up helping corporations like Wal-Mart because it'll drive out their competition.
tardis63
If a company cannot stay viable unless it pays its employees an unfair wage, then maybe it should close
pornopaul
My dad: if minimum wage followed inflation everyone should make 19/h. Also my dad:15/h to flip burgers? Those lazy people need real jobs
ravagefox
Well someone has to make my big Mac, and it ain't gonna be me.
dysiode
I'm more than willing to pay someone a living wage for that shit but they're gonna have to bring back the Mega Mac and actually call it that
StatisticalPizza
15 is reasonable for certain states, federal should be at least 10 with guranteed incremental increases until it starts to stabilize
bread1
Bet this is also your dad (and others of the same): Can't flip own burger, need someone to flip it for them for $5.99.
pornopaul
If you like that one here's another! My dad: we uses to have insanely bad snowstorms. Then after the giant factory a few miles away closed1/
pornopaul
2/the very next year we had the mildest winter in recorded history and they've been like that ever since. Also my dad:climate change is fake
RoutemasterFlash
Your dad sounds like a snowstormflake.
SendMeDogs
Work executive search Monday to Friday, and a burger flipper Saturday and Sunday. Tell your dad im sorry that I’m so lazy
chase7436
People seem to be think that jobs that make $15 now, like EMTs, would stay at $15 and be making the same as fast food. Obviously they (1)
chase7436
(2)would also get raises and be making more the in. wage, just like they make more than min. wage now. Min. wage is used as a starting point
chase7436
(3)for so many jobs, as in they pay double min. wage or something like that, that it being raised would benefit many other jobs that make
chase7436
(4)more that min. wage.
DoctorSpaceDog
Raise the minimum wage, that way businesses will finally automate them and I don't have to order my food from an organic dipshit anymore.
meapplejak
And yet we have to justify to our employers why we need a cost of living increase. FFS
JGBarco
thats because minimum wage DIDNT follow inflation, the dollar isnt worth as much, but products cost more
dysiode
Products appear cost more because the dollar isn't worth as much. The Consumer Price Index (price of goods) is how inflation is calculated
KeeleonOhms
Min wage was $3 hr in 1980. By inflation standards were right on target at $10. Why should it be more? Its the MINIMUM.
dysiode
You're right, inflation is a measure of the cost of all goods and services relative to itself. It includes increases in education costs
dysiode
To put it another way, between 93-17 the price of Education rose 61%, Rent 77%, Food 76%, Health 136%, Transit 53%, Recreation 31%, All 70%
dysiode
So the price of education actually under paced the market as a whole. The problem is people getting worthless degrees instead of trade skill
WeedlordBonerLover69
"a minimum wage increase from the current rate of $7.25 an hour to $10.10 would inject $22.1 billion net into the economy"
WeedlordBonerLover69
"...and create about 85,000 new jobs over a three-year phase-in period" - Economic Policy Institute
WeedlordBonerLover69
"increasing the minimum wage to $10.10 would lift 900,000 people out of poverty" - Congressional Budget Office
PenisShapedPoops
On the ability of the common man to support himself hung the prosperity of everyone in the country. - minimum wage creator
SeriouslyEveryoneCanSearchWikipediaHereIsARealReference
Stop this math-based fact-spreading foolishness this instant!
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
1. It was $3.10, and that's about $9.02 today. 2. Current minimum wage is $7.25 unless you live in certain states. 3. Inflation only -
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
accounts for the falling value of the dollar on the global market. It does not account for overall cost of living. For instance: In 1980, a-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
college education cost was around $3k a year at a public institution. That cost has risen to 10k. Not counting books, and living expenses.
dysiode
Inflation is a measure of the cost of goods and services over time relative to itself. Education is included in the CPI used to calculate it
KeeleonOhms
And those costs are exhorbitant by greedy people. How will giving people more money stop an unrelated thing from raising prices?
CKnowles
It's not "the MINIMUM", it's the minimum that WE THE PEOPLE allow companies to pay. Why set that below what a person needs just to eat?
KeeleonOhms
Because its also the minimum paid to 16 year old part time students. Min wage jobs arent SUPPOSED to be careers.
TsukariYoshi
I, too, remember the fact that fast food restaurants and retail stores close between 7am and 4pm while these people are in school.
TsukariYoshi
It's almost as if in order for these businesses to stay open all the time, non-teenagers also have to do the same jobs.
CKnowles
Well legislate that, then. Give dependents half wage as long as people who work 40hrs a week can afford to eat. Believe me, the 40 year old>
CKnowles
working the drive thru window isn't there because it never occurred to them to want more. Make sure they get a living wage, or at least ->
spiderqueendemon
Burger flippers work damn hard and their work frees up hundreds of people's time to get more work done. I say God bless them.
jerzdood
Assuming he has a "real job", he can't acknowledge his wages have not grown like they should've. Instead the money went to the rich.
Chpgmr
The politically correct term is job creators. And they totally deserve all the money because without them there would be no jobs.
sillybananas
not pc- term made by spin doctors
Chpgmr
For those who do not get it, it was a joke about one of their terms they constantly use for an excuse on why they believe they deserve more
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
Sorry people are dense. I feel like you got the tone through.
blackwidowsideboob
There was a stat about a CEO used to only make like 40 percent or something more than an average employee. And while I agree that business
blackwidowsideboob
Owners in particular should be able to keep their profits. That should be after a living wage is paid to employees
PenisShapedPoops
Something something Poes law
CarnivorousRabbit
Really? So the people who don't need to care about expenses deserve all the money? Not the poor sods who actually WORK for it?
5po0ky
The wealthy receiving all of the new wealth created while the majority of Americans are losing wealth makes for a very unhealthy economy. ->
5po0ky
The ironic thing is, if the wealthy and Corporations actually paid their fair share of taxes, they'd earn more money, due to that money help
derscur
I believe that user is being a devil's advocate.
fakepointgenerator
Well his point is moronic
MousseCakePie
It also seems to be sarcasm. No serious person has ever made a sentence where "PC term" was placed before "job creators"
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
As a burger flipper, this shit ain't easy
KeeleonOhms
Its not easy but its also not really "skilled" if it can be done by a 16 year old its not worth a lot...
zebil
Can tell you have never worked a day as back of the house.
KeeleonOhms
Not sure what that means but I have been paid min wage before...
wouldntyouliketobeapeppertoo
Doing what?
Zahnradfee
And it's also necessary. Those people with "real jobs" would freak out if nobody wanted to flip burgers for them anylonger.
XxxAziexxX
I briefly worked fast food and found this out REALLY quickly. Godspeed to everyone still working food service.
RNeato
It's a shitty job to work in the first place, plus you get so much shit from everyone for just doing what you can to make ends meet.
RNeato
I've been working in a research lab on my own projects for a year now, which is pretty much just cuz I had the opp to go to college...
RNeato
Working fast food was way more stressful/tiring, and I got paid less and treated worse. So I still have sympathy for those kinds of jobs.
ImScOtTmAlKiNsOnAnDIGoTdIaBeTeS
Couple ppl I know work in fast food. They work harder than most realize.
IMADEU
It is easy and mistakes don't cost thousands of dollars to fix either . No skill needed but you can become skilled in any thing you do.
Hammerhead777
Srsly, I have a friend who works at McDonalds and tells me about it often. It sounds mentally and physically draining, it ain't easy work.
ToonTooby
Former burger flipper here. Shit definitely sucked. Absent coworkers and angry customers. Did it for 2 yrs to earn my way to college
TehWolfs
Have any tips?
TehWolfs
As in advice for amateur cooks?
Traja01
If anyone tells you that you don't "deserve" an increased MW you tell them I said they can go fuck themselves.
solarshado
I mean... I don't disagree with the sentiment, but that's not a tactic likely to "win hearts and minds" and actually change anything...
Traja01
That's 100% correct, but at this point does anyone ever change their mind? If they say "you don't deserve it" they're probably pretty set.
Traja01
If someone says "I don't really get it, I kinda feel like you don't deserve it," yea maybe be a little more delicate lol
Traja01
Fuck yea dude. Also it's not about what you "deserve," it's about what a livable wage is. It's about external market forces.
experiencemike
Cheers to you and others in your position. I fucken hate working retail, I can't imagine food.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Haven't been on the line in an actual restaurant, but the burger line in my culinary program is fucking intense, even though it's only an hr
TheSSMorgan2015
I've done both retail and food. They both suck!
HDSDIWifiGuy
I lasted three months in fast food. Any more and I would've done something I'd have regretted.
experiencemike
Humans are the worst to work with.
indyliberal
Don’t worry, record corporate profits always translate into increased wages. Wait, that has never happened.
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
That's because low unemployment increases wages. Well done mocking a incorrectly stated point that no one makes, genius.
indyliberal
It’s part GOP talking point dill weed. We’re all going to make 4K more when wages go up.
naytorin
FustyLugs
Don't forget the absolutely ridiculous public college salaries of their Dean's, provosts, etc. affecting tuition.
Ralter3
Don't forget to pay the football coach!
Barbarian90001
Globalization incentivizes Apple, Google to keep profits overseas to avoid taxes.
maetryx
Buy stocks in the company. Now you're the owner getting the corporate profit.
PeteTusk
Right, with all that capital you have.
damangus
You'll never get rich working for someone else, or expecting someone else to give it to you. You want it? Go earn it!
AncientSeraph
- the rich and the stupid.
airen
You know what translate into increased wages for cotizens? Riots where the 1% are gone after
indyliberal
The French Revolution is a good example.
MrPredator
Gotta "love" the trickle-down effect.
chudtime
Trickle down economics has never worked and it never will
rrlyrae
"trickle down" "supply side" "dynamic scoring" "laffer curve" "santa claus": closest one to real is santa, b/c presents actually appear.
mushycow
Don't give up hope, it'll trickle down to us eventually!
SerialChillinSpree
On the surface yeah some corp are incessantly greedy, not good to employees, etc. But, lots of the public have funds tied into their profits
SerialChillinSpree
Many people's 401k depending how much equity you have, or housing. It's not totally symbiotic but kind of, only not for folks who don't inv
HEXADECIMAL
Honestly though it COULD work in a closed economy, but what really happens is they invest the money in the third world for better returns.
ConLawHero
It could if you completely ignored the laws of supply and demand.
Traja01
Corporations will pay as little as possible, always, regardless of whether we're globalist or isolationist.
mardukkur
Most commonly they just do a stock buyback and drive up the value of their compensation package.
Traja01
Or they spend it on expansion. They have no incentive to raise their wages, if they don't have to (either by law or necessity eg recruits).
mardukkur
That used to be the case, but with the ongoing demand shortfall due to income inequality there's little return on expansion.
Traja01
Sure I won't argue that, I was trying to say "or some other type of investment." It's just not guaranteed to go back to wages is all I meant
rejohnson365
To be fair, he was living under a 70% Carter era tax rate. If we are going to compare, let's compare Apple's to Apple's.
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
If he worked 40hrs a week he'd make almost $13.5k/yr, which under 1980 tax code would be taxed at about 15%. Only what people made over (1)
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
(2/2) $300k was taxed at 70%.
FightingRevengeOfYourMom
Yeah. What he said.
FightingRevengeOfYourMom
And thanks for pointing out the ~marginal~ rates. The rich don't get taxed at 70%, only the $ above some value get taxed.
indyliberal
That tax rate existed before Carter. And that tax rate was for top income earners.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
*apples to apples. Neither is possessive.
JesusMowsMyLawn
If you think corporations are going to be making record profits, you should not be complaining. You should be investing.
Richek
Yeah I'll get right on that with all the money I'm getting paid from them making record profits
5po0ky
This is the real problem. Due to depressed wages and record levels of debt, many people today can't afford to invest, as well as consume at
5po0ky
Historic consumption levels. This has driven the Velocity of Money steadily downward since the 90's. Couple that with the fact the market is
5po0ky
Extremely overvalued and you have a recipe for disaster
Treybetrey
AtomicCB
you know trickle down economy would work...if it was FORCED ie, the head boss can only make 15% more then the next guy down the ladder
PiggyWobbles
it woudn't even work then, lowering tax on profits impacts investors much more than employees
Summonsays
That's kind of how it works in Education. My mom has a doctorate degree but they give principal positions to gym teachers 1/2
Summonsays
from out of state so they can have a larger pay raise because they have to make more than my mom the assistant principal. Happened 8 times.
AtomicCB
and that guy cna only make 15% more then the guy below him and so on and so forth,
baconandplagues
IIRC there's a country where this is a thing
ThePickle
Interesting concept. Like a maximum wage
CausticCake
I've toyed with the idea of a maximum wage. Top earner in each company can only make no more than 100x the salary as the bottom earner.
CausticCake
But you can get around that by contracting. If we did it nationally. Everything above 100x the income of the lowest earned is taxed at 100%
sunyudai
Easy to exploit, just build a bigger ladder.
TresusIbor
But then you're paying out the ass for all those folks you use to support your ladder, right?
sunyudai
Yeah, but it's still one line of guys, instead of paying more money to the plebs at the bottom.
AtomicCB
the ladder can only be so big before you hit teh minimum wage window and can't get any employees
sunyudai
How so? Start at minimum wage for the lowest employees and work your way up from there.
steazyae
Businesses will find a way around it. They always do.
SomethingsShadow
That's not trickle down.
AtomicCB
the problem is the guys at the top LACK the maximum wage to make trickle down actually work.
AtomicCB
/a/3RcNl
AtomicCB
it sorta is, the whole trickle down idea is based about the guys at top having a max wage so the rest trickles to the next tier
SomethingsShadow
Trickle down has nothing to do with wages or even mentioning max wages. It's supply side economics for the rich. Now where is there a cap to
PiggyWobbles
NO! we swear this time. We won't just use the money for toilet paper and tissues, it will so definitely 100% get passed on to you peasants
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
They're actually not even claiming it will haha. Source:
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/13/trump-says-his-tax-break-will-get-companies-to-hire-more-workers-companies-say-it-wont/
Illithidbane
But it will this time. They just need the votes for the new tax reform. Vote the pedophile so it can start trickling down.
CorvusSolus
Yeah well I need it to trickle down the corporate ladder, not down a preteens leg.
shamusaran
Ewwww.
SomethingsShadow
Not if you're Roy Moore.
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
I know republicans are excited about furthering a conservative agenda, but that doesn't make them dumb or suddenly fiscally irresponsible
PiggyWobbles
you're right, enthusiasm is not what is making them fiscally irresponsible
maniacalmacaroni
This plan will increase the deficit by $1.4 trillion over 10 years. Thats fiscally irresponsible.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
It is extremely fiscally irresponsible to restructure your tax structure to ensure more of your wealth is distributed to one small group.
RussianBot09706YesWeNameThem
It's their own money though. Yowur mad because you don't get to take other people money through law.
HD226868
Boy I'm just imagining you going back to the medieval times and saying this to dirt poor peasants compared to their nobles.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
A shit ton of government costs could be reduced if we stopped buying shit to fund companies. Like tanks the military doesn't want.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Actually I’m mad that major corporations and wealthy people exploit the rules and refuse to pay back their due into the nation and working-
sunyudai
It does when the agenda itself is, as you put it, "dumb and fiscally irresponsible."
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
I'm hoping they see thru the current bullshit tax bill
AxelBeingCivil
What is there to see through? This is what they CAMPAIGNED on. Why do people think they're not doing exactly what they wanted to do?
baconandplagues
They didn't see through it under Reagan.
NotWelcomehere
And I STILL hear people lauding that mfer...BEST PRES WE EVER HAD..yeah no Dale you're an idiot.
Illithidbane
The right-wing media is all "it's a tax cut" and "save money" and "more jobs and better pay". How many (on either side) will read the bill?
TearingAway
'Taxation is theft'........couple that with all the sneaky add ons and this bill will be the early 2000's all over again.
Illithidbane
Are all Republican voters stupid? No. Is the head executive that they voted into office stupid? Absolutely. Politics aside, he's not bright.
Dagordae
It does when their big plan is doing something that has failed every single time they've tried it before on the basis of this time it will
Dagordae
totally work. What was it they called it last time? Voodoo economics? When your plan requires basically magic to work, it's a shit plan.
TresusIbor
What pedophile? What the hell did I miss?
Illithidbane
Roy Moore allegedly dated and harassed girls as young as 14, but the Pres wants voters to support him anyway to get votes for the tax bill.
TresusIbor
Jesus fucking christ.
Illithidbane
But remember, this is the god fearing, moral, righteous party. Better Moore than some heathen democrat, right? Jesus loves money, hates kids
Ghost0fDawn
Wait, whats trickling down exactly?
DragonDildoChandelier
Urine
nursingfool
Oooooh. Don't you worry about that. Just remember to vote!
LemmingAttack
Poverty
Gayforbae
Cum
twitchlove
That is the hardest I've laughed from imgur in awhile.
Illithidbane
Well, it's yellow, and warm, and smells funny. But Congress is telling you it's rain.
Gayforbae
Ghost0fDawn
Noksus
bullshit
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Literally the first word that came to my head before I opened replies