My wife has a Ph.D., 4 years in industry for Clinical Trial Management. 700 applications in the last 9 months. And heard back from maybe 15. Most are recruiting with no actual delivery. It's a depressing market. The rest are ghosts or blind rejections from the horse shit ATS.
The jobs recruiters cold-contact me about are invariably like uber-senior management jobs and I'm like "you clearly didn't read my resume, I'm a peon."
Many of the ones I have received in the past from recruiters turn out later don't fit fully what I want or need; and I don't find out those specific details until during the interview process
I do think they actually changed it so that they give you a small set of the knives to start w/ that you don’t have to pay for. At least in 2012 when I worked there briefly that had just changed it. Idk if they went back
I don't think people really understand just how bad the job market is right now in tech. And not even just tech. I have friends who have been out of work for over a year, have placed hundreds and hundreds of applications. And if they're lucky maybe they get through round one of interviews and that's about it. It's super bad
20+ year professional here. Pro tip: never apply directly to a company. Always go through a talent agency. Companies pay lots of $$ to find resources through these agencies. This doesn't cost you anything. Let the agency do the heavy lifting for you to find what matches your talent. They will also help you with your career path. Once you are in the door, that is all on you.
I have been looking for a good agency as a software engineer. Got any recommendations? I have 15 years experience, laid off two months. Applied to 70+ positions, I have one interview scheduled (actually RE-scheduled twice...).
That’s so shitty.. I’m a chemical engineer and all I was was an interview with boss, then a personality test (which you can’t fail) and then discussion with new boss and HR.. I’ve done exactly this at both adult jobs I’ve had..
Things have gotten much much worse in the past year or so. The last time I was job hunting I had three offers within a week. Now, about a year and a half later, I have had one interview with a recruiter and nothing Else. After two months
I once went to a group test for a job in a large well known shipping firm. I left when i saw the 49 others taking the test, thinking "this is a massive waste of my resources"
In IT the numbers are a lot LOT worse. Im at 700 applications and only 3 interviews with 24 years experience. And companies are sitting back saying I dont know... I think this particular person is an idiot. I dont think he knows enough about security. And then I begin to highlight how I have built entire security departments and committees from scratch and navigated countless SOC2 audits and theyre like. I dont know... I swear, its not a job search anymore its a beauty pageant. I know my shit.
If you're sending that many applications you're just spamming your resume out there and applying to a lot of positions that are a terrible fit. I am also in IT with 30 years of experience. Every time I've changed jobs I've applied to a handful that were a good fit. Even in 2009, just took a little longer that time
Being in IT and finding a job depends a lot on regional location and discipline. For example, looking for IT work in Silicon Valley as a coffee monkey would be really difficult. The same in a different part of the country would be much easier. I work in Houston as DevOps with 16+ years of experience. I can't beat the recruiters away hard enough. I can lose my job today and find a new job by tomorrow. But being a regular programmer in Houston would be more difficult.
Personal story... I spent the last two weeks hiring for a new position. We use a software Im unfamiliar with as I don't typically hire people. Took several candidates into the late rounds before landing my fav candidate.
I pass word to the hiring people that we've confirmed our hire. At which point they close the job in the software which automatically sent out an email to all the other candidates that they weren't being selected, closed the job entirely, and I no longer have access to their
resumes and information. Which feels really bad because I wanted to call the other two candidates who we had in the final round and personally let them know.
I get that the system saves time, but it's really unpleasant and I'm quite frustrated that folks who put in time and effort just got a form filled email...
Rainbowdaesh
Three jobs turned down? Looks like no one wants to work anymore. /s
Good on you for not settling on something that either didn't interest you or would be underpaying you.
MyGreatestFearBoner
My wife has a Ph.D., 4 years in industry for Clinical Trial Management. 700 applications in the last 9 months. And heard back from maybe 15. Most are recruiting with no actual delivery. It's a depressing market. The rest are ghosts or blind rejections from the horse shit ATS.
superfluffysheep
The jobs recruiters cold-contact me about are invariably like uber-senior management jobs and I'm like "you clearly didn't read my resume, I'm a peon."
wouldClimbForCash
Yeah but 3 months of management salary is like a year of peon, right? Shoot for the moon! (Kidding. Sounds like a recipe for getting blacklisted.)
bananaforscale0009
lol the turned down jobs are bait and switch
Ffudmethen
I just went 6 months without a job this graph is very similar to mine
Isiel89
Yes, we are looking for a young, energetic, go-getter with 159 years experience, 10 PhDs, paying $16.75/hour. Overtime encouraged.
Lostarchitorture
Many of the ones I have received in the past from recruiters turn out later don't fit fully what I want or need; and I don't find out those specific details until during the interview process
Rainbowdaesh
My current job was from a recruiter, but it's one that I've known for a while and he knows what type of places I'd be most comfortable in.
ridureyu
A job offer from a company where you sell knives at your own expense but you can gain money by recruiting salesmen beneath you.
Monkeyshit2
I do think they actually changed it so that they give you a small set of the knives to start w/ that you don’t have to pay for. At least in 2012 when I worked there briefly that had just changed it. Idk if they went back
MonkeyPushButton
Hahaha that Vector!
MoonBoots92
That software though
oldradios19772000
I don't think people really understand just how bad the job market is right now in tech. And not even just tech. I have friends who have been out of work for over a year, have placed hundreds and hundreds of applications. And if they're lucky maybe they get through round one of interviews and that's about it. It's super bad
AbortedSandwich
Only need one, congrats.
19tmoose97
I feel like most companies use recruiters now, the companies that are worth working for anyway.
aShogunNamedMarcus
I like a good Sankey diagram, unfortunately my only hiring is in Malaysia these days. Still gotta return to that US office 3 days per week though!
ValhallaPaperBoy
20+ year professional here. Pro tip: never apply directly to a company. Always go through a talent agency. Companies pay lots of $$ to find resources through these agencies. This doesn't cost you anything. Let the agency do the heavy lifting for you to find what matches your talent. They will also help you with your career path. Once you are in the door, that is all on you.
CodeWarrior
I have been looking for a good agency as a software engineer. Got any recommendations? I have 15 years experience, laid off two months. Applied to 70+ positions, I have one interview scheduled (actually RE-scheduled twice...).
ThisGuyHere
RummageSaleBubbler
Congrats on accepting an offer!
OrionKaelin
While out of a job finding a job is your job. But it shouldn't be a grind to this volume...
TeamToasterNeverForget
That’s so shitty.. I’m a chemical engineer and all I was was an interview with boss, then a personality test (which you can’t fail) and then discussion with new boss and HR.. I’ve done exactly this at both adult jobs I’ve had..
2graves
Things have gotten much much worse in the past year or so. The last time I was job hunting I had three offers within a week. Now, about a year and a half later, I have had one interview with a recruiter and nothing Else. After two months
f3n1x187
even the bogus LinkedIn offers have stopped :S
DarkWingz
That my dating graphed too
SilverStarling
Retail is 300 applicants per job here.
GiantFlyingLabia
I’m pretty certain I would categorically turn down an automated interview. It really tells me they have an “I don’t give a fuck” attitude
Eidodk
I once went to a group test for a job in a large well known shipping firm. I left when i saw the 49 others taking the test, thinking "this is a massive waste of my resources"
Grambot
Location? On site or fully remote?
I'm happy in my job but sometimes wonder how the market is behaving if I was too look for a change
ExorionPremier
What stack ? Asking to know if I got lucky on my last order (C# 7YOE)
airen
Forst round has 7 but 8 outputs?
KRHo
Technical Assessment has 3 inputs from First Round and one input from Recruiter
airen
You right
KRHo
METROlD
In IT the numbers are a lot LOT worse. Im at 700 applications and only 3 interviews with 24 years experience. And companies are sitting back saying I dont know... I think this particular person is an idiot. I dont think he knows enough about security. And then I begin to highlight how I have built entire security departments and committees from scratch and navigated countless SOC2 audits and theyre like. I dont know... I swear, its not a job search anymore its a beauty pageant. I know my shit.
Spootanany
Hey stop replying to my comment and deleting it before I can respond, weirdo
HelpfulCorn
If you're sending that many applications you're just spamming your resume out there and applying to a lot of positions that are a terrible fit. I am also in IT with 30 years of experience. Every time I've changed jobs I've applied to a handful that were a good fit. Even in 2009, just took a little longer that time
RichardNunez
Being in IT and finding a job depends a lot on regional location and discipline. For example, looking for IT work in Silicon Valley as a coffee monkey would be really difficult. The same in a different part of the country would be much easier. I work in Houston as DevOps with 16+ years of experience. I can't beat the recruiters away hard enough. I can lose my job today and find a new job by tomorrow. But being a regular programmer in Houston would be more difficult.
ComicSansHumor
Looks very similar to my breakdown. 2024 Software Engineer Job Search in San Francisco. 15 YOE.
HypnagogicHallucinations
Does Excel build Sankey diagrams?
ComicSansHumor
Dunno! I don't have a copy of Excel. I used the tool mentioned in the op's image.
fformulaa
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Xenarion
two dicks on vote to speak? Dafuk does that even mean?
miked854
It makes sense in nihongo, yo.
bortlp
5 YOE? They're hiring 5 Year Old Engineers?
TricksForDays
Yes. Gotta start them early
tonchandailvert
How will you have 30 years of experience for an entry position otherwise?
Bohrdumb
Personal story... I spent the last two weeks hiring for a new position. We use a software Im unfamiliar with as I don't typically hire people. Took several candidates into the late rounds before landing my fav candidate.
I pass word to the hiring people that we've confirmed our hire. At which point they close the job in the software which automatically sent out an email to all the other candidates that they weren't being selected, closed the job entirely, and I no longer have access to their
Bohrdumb
resumes and information. Which feels really bad because I wanted to call the other two candidates who we had in the final round and personally let them know.
I get that the system saves time, but it's really unpleasant and I'm quite frustrated that folks who put in time and effort just got a form filled email...
meowingintensifies
Don't call someone to reject them. It sounds nice, but gutwrenching because they see your call as "I got it". Rejection emails are kinder.
2graves
As a job hunter, I'd love a rejection email these days
ArthurT
How wonderfully automatedly impersonal. God I love lying on Resumes...