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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-afghanistan-kabul-drone-strike-civilians-zemerai-ahmadi-pentagon-review-1.6235887
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/08/daniel-hale-drone-whistleblower-sentencing-trial
Lobo82
DoctorPitt
https://youtu.be/UMoLKLM8SMg somewhat related and an interesting watch, of course I can't confirm that it's legit.
tracereading
We don't even care about our own kids. What makes you think we'll feel bad about foreigners?
railgap
Have any of you read some of the shit from the NSA that was released by Wikileaks et al? Everything is penetrated and owned. Everything.
Maitrify
And nothing will happen. I suspect in the coming years, either movement will have to take place or people are gonna get violent
LumpWithaLeafHat
This is completely besides the point and I'm only noting it bc I agree totally with the sentiment here -- but who calls kids "tots" anymore?
Bakerysnake
I'm not surprised its the same thing that happens when companies regulate and investigate themselves
darkmyst30
Snowden is a fucking hero
WithoutAPenny
Remember 9/11? Must seem like an everyday occurrence overseas...
3OH22A
Frankie Boyle - Hillary Clinton didn't believe in female genital mutilation... unless it was performed by an American drone.
Catitapillar
SlimSam
I'm amazed you people still let this shit happen. How many decades of innocent sufferers you need before taking back your own country?
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Not caused by misconduct or negligence... so, it was intentional.
Apothecarius
If it wasn't negligence, or misconduct, then it was on purpose, and okay.
Seras91
Or it could be that the operator got wrong intel, which from his side seemed completely solid,.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
That would still make whoever provided that false intel to the drone operator either negligent or … whatever the adjective of misconduct is.
Seras91
true it would, it just would take the blame from the Operator. I´m a real fan of having eyes on the ground to identify a target before >
Seras91
delivering some firepower...after all what they trained me in with rifles should be the thing for everything bigger too.
sticksosteel
Negligence and misconduct are dictated by policy, procedure, and law. Maybe those aren’t sufficient. Guys do what they’re trained to do
VaultGirl69
I know the real numbers of bystanders killed were too high. We when had a survivor speak to Congress about drones.
Jatok
It isn't worse. It means they had reasonable intel, took steps to ensure it was correct, but it wasn't. Negligence IS worse
Tarmaccian
I’m shocked to find that Snowden is misrepresenting context on a complex military/natsec issue. /s
LupusLilium
Negligence = 'Right' intelligence wrong target. Like dropping a missile into your neighbor's house. Misconduct = False intel that led to the
LupusLilium
target being hit. Like knowing someone was a trainer/recruiting people but having no actionable proof, so someone made up the intel to act.
missingdodo
Is it jsut me or do unsuspected drone strikes to families in countries thousands of miles distant feel like terrorism? Just flip countries.
freckledkink
It is terrorism. There's no reason or excuse for it.
CambreathdTheSecound
how to make a terrorist 101..... kill his family and friends to perpetuate the war on terror. Wait.. so it's a feature, just not for us...
CrimeSceneShoe
Its not exactly uncommon though. Not any any point through history. I hate to put it like that but its true.
Fedotia
I remember when they killed two AFP journalists in Iraq, pretended they were caught in a gunfire, then when exposed they instead jailed...
Fedotia
the whistleblower. Chelsea Manning is still jailed today.
Piornet
We're the baddies.
Splosions
How many times do you think we toasted innocents, or our own, in Vietnam? Anyone in jail because of that? No. Nothing changes
walnutbreath
Remember when we intentionally fired upon and repeatedly strafed a MSF hospital and then lied about it repeatedly. Same as it ever was.
ATLandNerdy
and we wonder why people hate us and burn our flag across the globe.
truthputer
TheInfiniteUnknown
The US govt:it's okay it's just brown people. This country is fucked
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
I would love to leave. That's why I am trying to make as much money as possible. Fuck this place.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
*just foreigners. Vietnam is still suffering from the Agent Orange they dropped there. To this day the US hasn't even admitted blame.
kojenk
or all the civilians the US Army wholesale slaughtered on the retreat during the Korean War.
Soufange
Bruh if we got 9/11'd again I don't think I could be too upset, just fucking tired of all of this
A1J1K1
I would but not because of "HoW dArE tHeY aTtAcK uS" but more because of "Ah shit... Here we go again."
cyberimg
#4 is on point.
lazerhosen
Literal war crimes. Extrajudicial killings in countries we're not at war with. Knowingly killing innocents to assinate a "target"
copingcabana
"Mistakes were made." "Oh, so it was negligence or misconduct?" "No, everything worked properly."
LordNergal
"Mistakes were made" means "the people who ordered us to do it are dumbasses."
aegius94
NlGHTW0LF
Imagine if some foreign country was drone striking random American civilians in the United States
IOnlyNeedOneBall
Closest I got is a helicopter strafe run of a US citizen by Egypt using US equipment. She was in Chet Faker's music video for Gold.
Unbelievabun
Which one was she (if I'm thinking of the correct vid, there are 3 women, yes?)? And sauce?
IOnlyNeedOneBall
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egypts-military-shot-american-roller-skater-now-shes-seeking-damages
Unbelievabun
Thanks! Holy shit.
brndrll
I've always wondered if it's time that war showed up in the US. Too many disconnected people.
Syovere
For that to change minds, there would need to be a capacity for self-reflection that too many in this country lack.
ztygs
What I hate about this is how many Americans actually believe the bullshit "they hate us because we are free" and fail to consider this.
NlGHTW0LF
Remember Bush saying "they hate us for our freedoms" after 9/11 to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan
Arbitrarynamehere
Free to blow them up with impunity
Harryteeters
"We investigated ourselves and concluded we've done nothing wrong"
CambreathdTheSecound
how to make a terrorist 101..... kill his family and friends to perpetuate the war on terror. Wait.. so it's a feature, just not for us...
JadeNB1729
"On further investigation, everyone who questioned the first investigation has been arrested."
ragingzealot
Cop logic at it's finest
AnythingMuchShorter
Also when you ask the Chinese government's investigators to check if a Chinese government owned company is violating your patents.
wormfood
It's not always corrupt investigation that does this, sometimes it's corrupt standards. People need to remember that.
Chereazi
The US committed a bunch of war crimes in the last decades, but doesn't punish anyone themselves and blocks any international 1/
ender00000
In 1998 US fighter pilot killed 20 people when he flew his plane under a cable car and cut the cable with the tail. He was found not guilty.
walnutbreath
It's far worse. We have a law that requires us to invade the Netherlands if any of our servicemembers or pols are ever arrested by the ICC.
RubWer
The US committed a bunch of war crimes in ALL the decades.
PutItInNeutral
Some were successfully prosecuted, but then later pardoned by a corrupt commander in chief.
DigiT00l
Can't commit war crimes if you never properly declare war
snicklefrits
Nah it’s more like can commit war crimes if we’re not part of the ICC
pdarkfred
"Police action" justifies plenty of domestic murder and terrorism, so why not, right?
JadeNB1729
I know the joke, but yes you can! Acts of war in the absence of declared war *are* war crimes.
brndrll
No, without declaring war they're just "whoopsie-daisies".
JadeNB1729
I believe you're forgetting the Biden legislation upgrading them to "my bad, that's on me."
UnBobaLievable
We literally have an act that says if a US citizen is tried for war crimes, we will invade the Hague to prevent it.
Chereazi
organisation from investigating... It's a goddamn shitshow
buttplugconsumer
And?
BarryTheCyborg
Oh, and when we do, the president gives them a pardon.
Robtheshaman
Im stealing this now
LordNergal
It's 100% on purpose, from what I understand from the higher levels. And an even worse shitshow when you get the insider take.
snicklefrits
And we specifically avoid becoming a member of the ICC bc of this but claim some bs sovereignty issue
DaMummy
Punish? We give them Nobel Peace Prizes...
LordNergal
Are you referring to Obama? Because I have stories... Stories that would get me locked up in Guantanamo if I ever shared them...
DaMummy
Doubtful, unless you're Yemenis journalist which discovered the wedding that was bombed was with US bombs, and Obama had the Yemen 1/2
DaMummy
government label you a terrorist and throw you in jail. 2/2
Animorphs
Name a war USA was directly involved in that they didn’t commit war crimes.
RaptorParty
The War on Christmas. Yet.
dingofdong
I mean, it's hard to commit real crimes in a completely imaginary war
railgap
Name a war in which ANY nation failed to commit war crimes at some scale, large or small. Won't happen. War is fucked up.
Animorphs
Agreed. But the problem is some people in USA think their country is exempt.
railgap
And I in no way mean this to diminish the USA's culpability; I don't like my country very much, but I'm as trapped here as any North Korean.
BHPaperstacks
Lol for a second I thought you were posting from NK and I was like whoa