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TheMightyElk
My God I now know why I cannot stand red wine
sayyoloonemoretime
Almost none of this is accurate. It's an opinion, kindly don't sell it as fact.
ToSisPoS
Gimme a grappa and a fish stick and feta sandwich. Tannic Asshole I call this recipe.
Smayds
So what I took away from this is that red wine tastes like the family whose garage ALF crashed his spaceship into. Got it.
BeefyByDesign
Very informative. *takes sip of gin because what's the point of alcohol but to momentarily forget one lives in US as a millennial.*
J4nein4ne
@duckalet
DeadWhiteMale
Tannins aren't the only thing responsible for the bitter taste. It's only one. Caffeine, for example, is quite bitter.
Tenugui
Where can I find this caffeinated wine?
strugglesnuggler
Yeah, I just don't like wine. Give me rum and hard cider any day.
RoyalWithChz
Had me until they said “cherry” flavor is bs. Cherry, plum, and black currant are common wine identifiers, but that doesn’t mean they add(1/
RoyalWithChz
Or infuse. Red wine, especially from a developed palate does taste like those and those descriptors are used to identify the wine. Other (2/
RoyalWithChz
Than that, I felt like that was a really great way to introduce wines to the laymen.
Flowerlady0
White wine from New Zealand tasted different than other white wines I have tried. Very citrusy.
TriksterHD
Whenever I've tried drinking wine it made me sick. I simply don't touch the stuff anymore.
GravyEducation
Tasting notes aren't really a trick. It's an imprecise way to suggest overall flavors to a species with subjective palates
Pacaruru
It's a 'trick' in the sense that if you paint an apple, you didn't actually have to put an apple on the page. It just *looks* like apple.
Pacaruru
Noone looks at a picture of a fruit bowl and goes "that's just marketing there's not really an apple there it's just a painting"
potshot
Yeah, a lot of the snobbery around it is fake, but you can get a huge variety of subtle flavors in wine that might somewhat remind you of(1)
potshot
what the tasting notes imply. Of course, if you don't have much experience with wines, most of those subtle flavors will be overshadowed (2)
potshot
by the taste of the wine. (3)
whirlydoodle
some ppl are "super tasters" and just genuinely taste more flavors and subtle things than most ppl. Meanwhile a bad flu can ruin taste buds
whitebbwolf
thats me, but it never helped me to enjoy wine. I get ALL those flavours but they dont make up something enjoyable
whitebbwolf
I can taste ALL the nuances n flavours in wine. They just dont add up to something enjoyable for me. Bleargh
frischcode
I'm good with most red wines, but I tried a Malbec recently. All I could taste of old leather. Cheap sangria for me. Thanks.
venomlash
I love Malbec because it tastes leathery.
SherMattLockSmith
Wow, malbec is like my go-to wine and have never thought of it as tasting like leather, what brand was it?
astrangehop
Weird, Malbec is one of (imho) the more balanced reds. But horrible things happen with any wine.
aFadingMemory
I love it for just that reason. Pepper, tobacco, leather, dirt. NOM!
monkeyastronot
You’re welcome!
DietCokeIsTheBest
Wine just tastes like vinegar to me. Think I’ll stick to whisky and ale
Flibster
All tastes like shit to me. That's why when I did drink, it was generally vodka.
Kbantar
Ditto. I don't like vodka, but I dislike it less than any other alcohol.
Flibster
Had a friend who's dad worked at the Russian embassy while at uni. Much excellent vodka was ours. ??
cjorl
Ok, but it still tastes like rotten grapes
CameForNatalieDormer
This is wrong in so many places and it's hurting my head. I *JUST WOKE UP* I do not want to look for my alcohol chemistry book.
CameForNatalieDormer
But let's start with this, tannins are not the compound that people are most genetically predisposed towards disliking in alcoholic drinks.
CameForNatalieDormer
Here's a real thing: 1/10 women are "super tasters", something like 1/1,000 men are. Another one: While ethanol is generally considered a1/?
CameForNatalieDormer
tasteless burning more than a flavor, a super taster *tastes* ethanol and it tastes bitter. What this means for this idea of tannins 2/3
CameForNatalieDormer
being the deciding factor is that... it's wrong? Red wine tends to have a higher alcohol content (average ABV range hovers around 14%) 3/??
CameForNatalieDormer
while white wine hovers around 11%. But those %'s don't tell the whole story either, tannins do play a role in preference, but let's get4/??
SirBillington
It's really annoying to see sensory analysis dumbed down and so utterly misleading. Wine may have aromas of things other than grapes because
SirBillington
of so many different factors including fermentation practices, yeast strains, storage, oxygen content / aging, terroir(soil), blending, etc.
SirBillington
Saying that they don't put cherries in it so you can't taste cherries is like saying that an IPA doesn't put pine trees in it so you can't
SirBillington
taste pine, or replace with citrus fruit, or whatever. Clearly someone with zero sensory experience.
Kerberos623
Thanks for the info. I guess I am a tannin taster then. never liked wine. also hate cilantro and dont like supergreen taste like broccolli
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Everyone can taste/feel tannins. This post is weirdly misleading. Maybe you're just more sensitive to them.
shadowobsidian
Same! Cilantro is soap, coffee is nasty, broccoli tastes like metal, and basil smells like black licorice, oddly enough
whatshappeninghere
Something missing here: an old barrell can infuse Aroma like cherry or vanilla into the wine, depending what was in the barrell before.
hnngh
Tannin is usually described as a mouth drying texture more than a bitter flavor. Astringent would be a better descriptor. This is all wrong.
TheWarHymn
Thought dryness had to do with residue sugars and alcohol content? And tannins are technically bitter chemicals...
hnngh
When you train to taste wine, you seperate out tannins with residual sugar. Wines can be sweet and tannic.
tpanyS
Odd this is all wrong when the literal definition of Tannin is "a bitter-tasting organic substance". Though also astringent as well yes.
anyofmany
yeah- red wine tastes like super unripe banana with paint thinner to me…
hnngh
From a private Chef who has studied to be a sommelier, drink and eat what you like, and don't be ashamed; but also try new things.
Corrodias
Yet they are bitter, too.
cropduster5000
Most people can’t discern those subtle notes that a Somme will, but that sure as hell doesn’t mean it’s bs!
SirBillington
As a brewer, food scientist, and someone with extensive sensory training, the best pairing is a drink you like with food you like.
Kehy
I want to like alcohol, but aside from literally 1 whiskey and 1 sake, it's all undrinkable for me. Alcohol itself tastes like dish soap :/
Skr121
Astringent would be a better word, sure, but why does that make "this all wrong?"
Salpinus
Fermented is not the same as rotten ? or will they say that beer is made from rotten grains?
crateo
Bud light is.
Salpinus
Haha we don't have that in Norway, but from what I've heard I can imagine what it's like ?
MadeThisAccountToAnswerQuestions
Person completely misses the point of the initial poster and rants about tannins rather than fermentation process. Nice! Would read again.
AisforApple
Can't wait to get this guy's take on white pepper, lol
jansenart
@OP I agree with the premise, wine sucks when compared to grape juice.
noa180
Interesting because wine just tastes like hand sanitiser to me so I only drink cider and I always need milk in coffee. Explains so much
khyberr
This sounds like a Republican explaining wine - don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story, right? I’m a winemaker.
thotheger
This made me genuinely laugh. Upvote for you
TrueNorthernLights
What about this is wrong? (Not arguing, I know zero about wine so I'm being honest). I hate red wine because it's like drinking bread dough
Cyanide555
The aroma of wine can absolutely evoke other smells. Maybe not all of whats on the label but with some practice you get more than grape
Skr121
But he said it's psychological, and other fruits would mess up the fermentation process. Is that incorrect?
seamusmcfly
The flavors come from the different grape varieties. As in a grape variety can have notes of "cherry" or other fruity flavors.
seamusmcfly
There is a really large variety of grapes that have different flavor profiles that will remind you of other fruits such as apple or pear.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
It's not psychological, it's chemical. You detect chemicals that you would detect in other foods. So no, incorrect.
DespiseEveryone
Or you can just drink Baileys which is just sweet. Adulting is for kids who still think adulting is anything but aches, pains and bills.
Solkanarmy
aftershock and red bull, it's like drinking liquid haribo
benderfreak
Yay!
Skawomplious
I'll have a shoe-full please.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
...or some people genuinely prefer wine to Bailey's?
TheMouseOfMadness
I can taste tannin, I just happen to like the taste
Shellzie2010
Yeah, considering that three of my favorite things in the world are dark chocolate, Cabernet, and coffee，I think this may be true for me too
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Everyone can "taste" tannin. Though technically you're "feeling" tannin, since it causes your salivary proteins to cump together.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
So a lot of this is accurate but a lot of it is...not. Or is misleading at best. And no shit winemakers don't infuse their wines w cherry.
shankycat
By this guy's own logic, since wooden barrels are not made of vanilla it is impossible to get a vanilla note from a barrel; yet here we are.
ravnsulter
On a TV show a michelin restaurant chef could not correctly identify red, white and rosé when blindfolded. So alot is made up.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
...chefs make food, my dude. Not wine.
IAmAngry
Or the TV show is staged - or the chef is not sommelier (being a chief and being sommelier are totally not related) because even I can tell
IAmAngry
The difference between red and white wines
aFadingMemory
Are you referring to John Cleese "Wine for the Confused"? Because that chef/"wine expert" couldn't get his ego out of the way and be real.
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Callbox
I wasn't convinced just because I think dry red wines are super pungent and bitter, but I drink only black coffee and think it tastes fine.
SeawardSkies
I love (though I can't eat it in large amounts) dark chocolate, but don't like black coffee or red wine, so I have my doubts as well.
AisforApple
Same. That one put some doubt in me.
NR97420
Yes
TheSecondPiewackit
Yeah, no one is saying they put cherry in the wine. They're using "Cherry" as a reference flavor. They also say things like "mossy".
TheSecondPiewackit
My family has made our house wine for hundreds of years. A sommelier friend of mine gave it "Hints of tomato, would be good with pasta.."..2
TheSecondPiewackit
... and neither of us assumed that I'd actually put tomato in the barrel. This guy's got the science down, but doesn't know the craft.3
jo0owe
The "90% of aroma is BS" triggered me
rbudrick
90%ish of all taste is smell. Pinch your nose when eating and you will taste very little.
DogTaxEvader
taste is literally 4 things: bitter, sour, sweet, salty. If you have ever "tasted" anything else, that was flavour (nose) not taste (tongue)
rbudrick
Very fully debunked. This is absolutely incorrect information.
DogTaxEvader
Quick, someone rewrites the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste
jo0owe
The term "flaveur" in french means the mix of smell, taste, texture and other senses while eating. Smell isnt 90% but is a part of it
Hatecrew2006
They don't do it during fermentation but if you wanted to make it a cherry fruit wine, then they would add it during aging
nnngh
if you want a "cherry fruit wine", you make wine with cherry juice, not grape juice.
Hatecrew2006
Homebrewer here, you could do it both ways, you could make a moderate grape wine and then add the cherry juice to back sweeten, 1/?
nnngh
Yes. You could do that. But it would be a wine based drink, not a cherry wine.
Hatecrew2006
Or you could ferment cherry juice, cherry juice is pretty tart though so you'd have to add some sort of sweeter juice to balance it out.
SomeSomm
Certified Sommelier here, can confirm. A lot of wrong mixed into some right
tethermyheather
Can confirm. The info about fats, particularly with the white wines was also untrue. Acidity is a HUGE factor in food pairing.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
What's the worst misconception about wine you encounter?
SomeSomm
Most people have no idea what the term “dry” means, even though it is by far the most commonly used descriptor
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Do you find that the general palate prefers drier or sweeter wines?
joshisveryattractive
It has taken a dedicated effort on my part to enjoy red wines. I more easily enjoy a sweet wine, with a lower alcohol content.
SomeSomm
Sweeter for sure.
cropduster5000
When I was a server at a fancy restaurant we got some free classes from a Somme. I was able to pick out some of those specific smells and 1/
cropduster5000
Tastes that were described by him or the label, *before* he would mention them. I have always been able to pick out subtleties in flavors 2/
cropduster5000
And scents much subtly than most others I come across, but I know it’s a rare trait. Doesn’t mean it’s BS, just doesn’t matter for most
7Spades
I do the same with drinking whiskies. Taste and smell first, then read the tasting notes, find out I got it half right already.
GravyEducation
Its really more about selling and hinting at the way a wine might react on the customer's tongue than telling them what it WILL taste like 1
GravyEducation
When I began bartending they gave me a taste wheel and told me to describe the flavors that I could sense. Then you get it, its not always 2
Rulweylan
To give a non-wine example, Baltic Trader imperial stout beer contains neither coffee nor tobacco, yet has strong taste notes of both.
PrincessNakedMoleRat
Eating a tropical fruit roll up with a drink of Coke somehow tastes just like a mcnugget.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Kinda reads like someone read one Wikipedia article on wine and tried to explain the chemistry of wine from memory of that page.
Jamesstin
lol yours and others remark is exactly why wine drinkers are considered snobs. Honestly, its the only stereotype ill preach as 100% true.
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Some people enjoy wine. Enjoying something isn't snobbery.
IIIdkbruh
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Too many errors to get everything at once, but the thing that annoyed me the most was suggesting that some ppl don't taste the tannins. >>
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
>> A more accurate way to say that is that some people are more sensitive to tannins than others. But we all taste them. The writer also >>
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
>> kind of glossed over why tannins are associated with "dry" mouthfeel: they bind salivary proteins and cause them to clump together.
SirBillington
Atrocious disregard/discrediting of sensory analysis is my big one. Also, I'd never consider sav blanc to be a sweet wine.
icycouture
If this person thinks Sauv blanc is sweet, I'd love to hear ehat they think of sauternes or ice wine. Mmmm ice wine....
vindik8or
Yeah. Isn't red and white wine from using red or white grapes? Don't tannins come from the oak barrels all wine is aged in?
Ktmint
According to a brief Google search it is from the color of the grape. But they also do take the skins off for white grapes it sounds like.
venomlash
Tannins come from grape skins and oak wood both, and only some wines are oaked. Oak tends to give wine "toasty" warming flavors.
SirBillington
To expand on that, oak also tends to give some "buttery" flavors. Try an oaked and unoaked chardonnay next to each other, it'll be clear.
HONHHONHHONHTITTYCROISSANTS
I wonder who figured out putting yer booze in a barrel made it better
DefinitelyNotMadeOfBees
Different grapes are treated differently, so yes and no. But not all wine is aged on oak; some is aged in steel.
vindik8or
Crom would approve.
ispendtomuchtimehere
the ending, same is true for cilantro
greentights
So if you blend it, y'all will stop complaining about it tasting like soap?
KrondorMocker
I can taste Biff Tannin
dmjalund
GREAT SCOTT!
whitebbwolf
I hate it so fucking much. Ruins EVERYTHING completely
UncleMartha
I thought cilantro was alright when I was a kid, but somewhere around age 18 a switch was flipped and I haven't been able to eat it since.
OmnibusLatinName
Thank god I made that boat.
Justtakealookatthis
Coriander( the seeds of cilantro) taste the same to everyone though. Clearly the superior part of the plant to be used in foods.
DookieHowserMD
Cilantro leaf farmers don’t want you know this one thing
whitebbwolf
yeah, freshly ground, nice and lemony good tasty thing
AisforApple
interesting. I'll give it a shot.
NotWittyEnough
What if I told you it was $100 cilantro
whitebbwolf
waste of money
TeishaTaisha
Expensive dishwater.
Justtakealookatthis
A very rich stinkbug.
bogus1983
Fancy soap
superlee1985
And cucumber
BigFatFailureTurtle
And onions/garlic. And capsaicin. And alcohol itself.
serpentinebaboo
Really? What about cucumber? I loathe cucumber
BigFatFailureTurtle
To some, it barely has a flavour - hence being considered watery & refreshing. To others, it's horribly bitter.
superlee1985
And apparently the smell is really strong to some people too
BigFatFailureTurtle
I couldn't smell a turkey roasting in the next room, but smelt the cucumbers being cut for the salad nobody was gonna eat.
InnocentValley
I find this depends heavily on the cultivar and level of ripeness though. Skin tends to be more bitter, inside can get more sour.
Goacorona
But it tastes like soap
wargames
only because you are a genetic failure, your bloodline is weak like your tastebuds
katidragon
Your genes are weak
nessusDM
Soap, soap, soap. Was so happy when I found a good mexican restaurant that didn't think cilantro was essential to all dishes
AisforApple
It's worse than soap, tbh. Soap would be an upgrade.
TeishaTaisha
Seriously. I've tried it, plenty of times. Just one more time isnt going to make it not taste like depressed evil.
Creeeeeed
So sad you won't be able to experience the freshness it brings. MG favorite herb
hadtodownvote1
Someone claimed the seeds don't taste like soap for people with the cilantro soap gene, but otherwise same as the leaves. So there is hope
ILogInToUpvote
That's the genetic part. Some people say it tastes like soap and hate it, others don't get that flavor and love it.
valinnut
I really doubt the genetic explanation or at the very least there are degrees. I have tasted the soap variant as well as the parselylike
valinnut
I really like it, just in greek and asian salads it tastes like soap to me. In vinagre and warm dishes it does not
tirohtar
The soapy taste comes from some aldehyde-like compounds in cilantro, I can see vinegar being able to neutralize some of that. To me all
Goacorona
I really like it. However vietnamese mint really tastes like spicy soap
mithiwithi
There's a gene that makes cilantro taste like soap to some people, though I have no idea whether it's the same as the tannin gene.
IrrelevantOutsideOfMyBubble
Not sure if it's tannins, but there are bitter flavors I can taste that other can't, and I don't have the cilantro=soap gene.
Gaelwyn
I don’t think it is. I don’t have the soap cilantro issue but red wine tastes horrible. My SO is the opposite.
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
Cilantro takes like pure soap to me. What does it taste like to your normal palate?
Gaelwyn
It doesn’t have much flavor to it, to me it tastes kind of like parsley.
Kbantar
Opposite. We can taste the soap compounds, while many others lack the ability.
TheNextHafthorBjornsson
Imagine it isn't, I don't taste cilantro soap, but taste horrible red wine and at the same time love the black coffee flavor.
BoogaYooga
I developed a taste for black coffee over time. Don't know if it's 'built resistance' or genetics.