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#logic #reason #madness
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Oct 8, 2021 4:00 PM
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#logic #reason #madness
#stupidisasstupiddoes #YouFoundJesusGump? #IDidntKnowWeWasLookingForHimLtDan
Piscivore
MashPWNtaters
seregsarn
BobbieNell
Excellent use of this meme.
TheDogEnd
Well, if it's not your "religious belief" to get the vaccine, then it's not your religious belief to get a kidney transplant. EZ-PZ
boneh3ad
*she
kadaeux
If she could hurry up with that it’d be great
Guessmyusername
You're wishing for the death of a person because you disagree with them. Think you might need a moment of self reflection
kadaeux
No. I'm not wishing for the death of a person. Just a terrorist whose delusional denial of facts continues to endanger humanity.
Guessmyusername
Keep telling yourself that. Mental gymnastics is required when calling for the death of your neighbors
kadaeux
No mental gymnastics are required to call people refusing to take a vaccine for false reasons to perpetuate a pandemic terrorists.
malkavian3str
She'll be immunecompromised, prime Covid prey. Resonably not being vaccinated reduces her live expectancy,
malkavian3str
live expectancy after transplant should be a determinig factor for donor organ ddistribution.
maholt
"Get the fucking vaccine, assholes." - The pope
SunAnvil
My Mom and Dad are 82 yrs old, Baptist and Republican. They got their shots asap. This woman's choice has nothing to do with religion.
evilspock
Kidneys are in short supply. Better to give them to people who are likely to not waste it by dyingly needlessly of preventable diseases.
Kateness
Short supply? Not bloody likely. I've got like 8, and that's just in the small bucket.
InfinitusEquitas
She has a friend willing to donate, the issue is donor recipients without covid vaccine have 20-30% mortality rate within a year. Also...
InfinitusEquitas
Puts donor at greater risk. Plus she can get the vaccine anytime within 3 week span. So hospital is right.
OhIfIMust
Same reason you won't get a liver if you can't lay off the sauce.
graehall
Believing magic is real isn't a virtue, it's an ignorant vice. And it's one we push on children generation after generation. It's not ok.
kadaeux
Introducing children to religion is child abuse…
graehall
Forcing children in to religion is prepping them for the real child abuse which comes later thanks to angry parents/teachers/clergy etc.
PrinceOfWhales
Sort this one out with the deity of your choice, who apparently doesn't care enough about you to tell you about illness prevention.
AdmiralJohn
Everyone I know using "religious beliefs" for getting of of my employer's Covid vaccination mandate is just doing it to avoid the shot.
jimbox114
Funny how her faith has no issue with a transplant. No sympathy for her.
InvictusXYZrwr
10 to 1 says she's Republican, the real "reason" for her vaccine refusal.
ihaveblunderedyetagain
The real reason is she's a fucking moron.
kashflow
Not being sarcastic but automatically I thought that was a given.
InvictusXYZrwr
Believe it or not, there are Democrat liberal anti-vaxxers. Idiocy runs both ways.
kashflow
I feel like you can also be an idiot and get the vaccine. I think the better phrasing is people who got manipulated aren't getting vaxed.
InvictusXYZrwr
Right
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
That's a religion, at this point. A deeply stupid one, sure, but.
eddy3000
Aren’t they all…
BetterDemosthenes
What we're seeing now with the orange turd is kind of a case study in how religions get their start.
ArdentSlacker
Death cults count, yeah.
zubax
"Let your God figure this shit out."
hyperchondriac
If she trusts her god to save her from COVID then she should ask it to fix her kidneys too. Quit with this mix and match bullshit.
MKUltraRando
God did, gave her a chance at transplant.
stumblinforward
And a vaccine...
slaughterface
What about dialysis? Is she religiously exempt from that too?
ThailandExpress
SalmySwims
I like this guy.
msd3k
I'd be curious what BS church put that in her head, or if it was just the Church of Later Day Facebook.
wyrmbear
"Yea, verily it doth on certains sucketh for the beef-witted codpiece!"
IdiotSavantTinker
yourekillingindependentgeorge
Bye, bitch
Sunn
No need to be like that
Guessmyusername
If you don't hate the right people you don't love the other ones enough apparently
Canadoug
I'm no religious expert, but where in the Bible does it say you can't protect yourself and your family?
Iloveanonymityandilovebeingnoticed
It’s the “AbOrTed BaBiEs ArE iN tHe VaCcInEs” thing, I think.
nakoruru876
Only with guns apparently. Protect they self with the ol shot gun.
DrewBerg
Oh well, that's what she gets. And b4 anyone starts screaming "medical rights" or "malpractice" or whatever the doctors and specialists >
ekzeko
Most of your argument relies on wether she was on a public list for organ distribution. She seems to have secured a private donor.
BlacknCrimsonRose
Surgeons, ICU beds, docs, & med supplies in general are stretched thin. Why bother with a transplant that's so high risk?
ekzeko
I agree, those are all valid. And covid increases the risk of rejection in the following years.
DrewBerg
Will deny organ transplants for a lot of reasons as its a pretty standard medical practice. Like if someone is an alcoholic. They're not >
DrewBerg
Going to waste a liver on someone who us going to waste all the time, effort and the organ itself ro someone who's going to destroy it >
DrewBerg
Like they did their original organ.
koyote2033
"It's in God's hands now"
maximilianfragglebottom
Deuteronomy 30:19
jacblake
AllDayPermaBanned
That's not bad.
Nunyajonesinc
Because on immunosuppressants getting Covid it's a guaranteed death sentence
lucidbarrier
I'm on strong immunosuppressants (biologics) and got covid in January. It was pretty mild. But I like generalizations, tell me more.
Nunyajonesinc
Speaking of generalizations, the stuff you take that's designed to block a specific cell interaction is nothing like the drugs required to
Nunyajonesinc
Prevent organ rejection. Sorry about your IBS, Arthritis or Psoriasis
Doso777
So the organs would be wasted and there is only a limited supply. Better give them to someone who is not an idiot.
jacblake
What if the organ came from a vaccinated person, thereby transferring some covid-specific T cells and B cell during transplant?
jacblake
That is, there would be T cells and B cells intermingled with the organ and necessarily co-transplanted.
Lisossoma
Not completely, but it does increase the risk. (COVID is still not completely understood)
alsoAzrael
Exactly. This isn't about punishing her, it's legitimately the best decision. She needs to be fully vaccinated before getting ANY transplant
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Wouldn't immunosuppressants suppress any covid immunity you already have from a vaccine?
lucidbarrier
I had to take the Hepatitis vaccine several times because it wouldn't take. After awhile, they just gave up.
TheNaykid
From the reading I was able to find (theres alot), vaccination helps those immunosuppressed, just not as profoundly.
Lisossoma
That´s why immunosuppresed patients will be the first to get booster doses
abefromannn
I think the idea is that you would get the vaccine in advance of the introduction of immunosuppressants, but idk-not a doctor
QtheM
I've seen patients turned down for transplant because they lacked a stable enough life situation to be able to manage their self care @ home
criminently
Yes, that is another requirement.
SarcasticComment
To quote Scrubs: an organ is a gift, top priority is honoring that gift by choosing the best candidate for it.
SarcasticComment
It sucks, but if you are in a position where you can't properly care for that gift, it should go to someone else.
NlGHTW0LF
And now Faux News is parading her around as a victim:
JLB36602
I wonder if Faux would run the same story in a similar light if "refuses vaccine" was replaced with "refuses drug test"
kojenk
"holding it hostage" like seriously they need to fuck off
PrinceMaxx7
Regular as clockwork..
crummulentwo
This is her belief, not a Christian belief.
ReaperCDN
Ah yes. The old Scotsman fallacy. They're recognized as Christians everywhere it matters, including the church.
SunAnvil
Mahabazu
Biblical christianity is found in a vague esoteric and inconsistent book.
Mahabazu
The bible is a vague esoteric and inconsistent book, thus yielding an ever increasing number of interpretations often don't agree themselves
juliessen
Being a Christian and sacrificing part of one's beliefs in caring for others makes sense.
skwint
"Thou shallt not stick mRNA vaccines into thine arm, nor into anothers arm. Thy blood shall be upon thee" - bullshiticus, 23:7
kikimittens
Actually, that Bullshiticus is like 24:7:365
kadaeux
I thought 23:7 was ‘Thou shalt not lay with a boy as with a woman unless you are an ordained minister, giggity giggity.
Iliketacos42
Oof, there are 23 chapters in Bullshiticus now? Man it just keeps getting longer.
joeschmoe52
Actually in the last year Bullshiticus is at 50 chapters and we now have Shityounoticus up to chapter 28. Ive heard Dumbshiticus retired /1
joeschmoe52
/2 because he couldn’t keep up and was just too damn tired.
Indevious
Yeah, even JWs, who dont take blood, for legitimate and religious concerns, will take vaccines and are still doing their worship from home.
Tulayne
Not legitimate at all, source, I was raised one
PerfectManhattanUp
It's not legitimate. JWs are a cult and use the forced commitment of refusal of blood transfusions to up the cognitive dissonance keeping...
PerfectManhattanUp
People in the cult. Essentially they have to prove that they're willing to die for their cult and once they make that commitment it ...
PerfectManhattanUp
Becomes a million times harder to think about leaving. As Jesus said "who if their ox falls into a pit on the Sabbath would not get him...
PerfectManhattanUp
Out that day" or something like that. Working on the Sabbath was a death penalty offence but Jesus acknowledged that the law could be ...
CarpeNates
Lol “legitimate”.
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MargarineMeadows21
To be clear, “Christians.” That’s not about the capitalization; it’s about the fact the minority of which you speak does not act Christ like
ShoggothTree
That doesn't make it a Christian belief.
Youhavinagiraffe
"I'm sorry God, we had a vote and decided you don't like this thing now"
Mahabazu
Because the bible is vague and thus open to interpretation this is totally what happens. Thus the thousands of types of "christians."
boneh3ad
*loudly held among a minority of Christians. FIFY
TheMouseOfMadness
Cite me a verse in the bible then if it's actually a real part of their religion and not just personal feelings
AlmostHappy
I think this is the most quoted one: You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord. Lev. 18:28 >
AlmostHappy
But that would also mean no transplant. And there are several others about god making us in his image, which is perfection. (And b*shit)
TheMouseOfMadness
Yeah that's mutilation as a grieving process, there's also a bit about tearing clothes and such if I recall. Not related.
capughe
Sounds more like ritual scarring (to honour the dead) than anything close to surgery or injection
ClassyReposts
Real Scotsman fallacy, kinda. Doesn't matter what Christian you are, there's always another Christian calling you not real.
thisisntverybritish
Any belief held by any Christian is a Christian belief. Religion is personal, and any belief can have religious significance to the believer
tennotenshi
While I understand your point, doesn't this logic extrapolate to the idea that any argument against a Jew is antisemitic? (which is untrue)
thisisntverybritish
I don't see how that follows from what I said. My point is that there as many different versions of a religion as there are believers.
tennotenshi
Any belief held by any Jew is a Jewish belief. If I disagree with that (Jewish) belief, then I can be labeled an antisemite. 1/
tennotenshi
If as a Christian, I refuse a medical tx because I don't think it's safe, is my refusal part of my Christian belief? 5/
tennotenshi
If a person who follows typical Islamic beliefs calls themselves a Christian, are their beliefs part of Christian doctrine? 4/
tennotenshi
By definition, any hostility against or discrimination of Jews or Jewish beliefs can be labeled as antisemitic. 2/
tennotenshi
Not all beliefs are necessarily religious. Also not all religious beliefs held by a Christian are technically Christian. 3/
cabbykins
Weird, then, that a bunch of workers at my employer used their Christianity for a religious exemption to the covid vaccine.
Lezbeserious
https://www.chemicalsandchristians.com/reasons-to-care and then you have people believing stuff like this. Who use it to defend against
Lezbeserious
Vaccinating themselves.
derktoon
born again christiam here. No where does the teachings of jesus say not to get vaccinated.it does talk a lot about caring for your neighbor
cabbykins
It's almost like the people using religion as a shield aren't doing so in good faith.
derktoon
Whoa there chief. Calm down on youe conspiracy theories
cabbykins
How is that a conspiracy theory?
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Did anyone explain to them that vaccines aren't 2000 years old?
Nim449
Very weird, but then that is Magic Thinking for you.
SpaceNinjaPirateCowboy
What I think is it's more likely a half-assed interpretation of some specific quote from the bible twisted to suit their anti vax agenda.
LogRider
If they had read it they likely wouldn't be Christian. More likely their crazy pastor told them some BS and they blindly believed it.
LogRider
If they had read it they likely wouldn't be Christian. More likely their crazy pastor told them some BS and they blindly believed it.
skipweasel
Does her faith allow transplants? Would seem odd to allow them but not vaccines.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Her faith allows whatever she wants to do and forbids whatever she dislikes. That's how hypocristianity works.
spiceass9000
It’s because it was developed using fetal tissues. So the real question is does she take Tylenol or basically any over the counter med
BryanTenn
There are reasons.. and there are excuses. It's usually easy to tell the difference.
lanthanidehighway
it's called cherry-picking. after all why should the godbotherers subsist on mere hypocrisy and faux moral outrage alone.
Publiusdg
This has nothing to do with faith. She's a fucking moron
FrolickingFrolicking
The woman, and the AP, are lying. It’s not a “religious belief” it’s a random stupid PERSONAL belief
LerryV2
"My religion wont let me" - BS excuse number 47 for not getting it.
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
her faith allows her to do whatever the fuck she wants and then pretend she's doing what "jesus" wants so no one can question her
nangke
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
that might seem a little harsh but jesus told me it was cool to post, so, if you downvote me you're going straight to hell. says jesus.
MaterialGirl1
Good point. Isn't an organ transplant like "playing God" for those religious nut jobs?
Kalcibonie
Well they pretend to eat their savior every sunday.
MichaelGrubbs
skipweasel
I like savioury snacks.
sazabit
Turns out "religious beliefs" in America are subjective and on a basis of personal situational convenience. Who knew!?
walnutbreath
Thank the RFRA and a conservative SCOTUS who upended 200 years of jurisprudence and history to weaponize the 1A into a "Get out of being a
walnutbreath
member of society" card.
sazabit
I'm fine with shitheads exiting our society as long as they actually do. Meaning they no longer get to take advantage of our infrastructure,
sazabit
public services, rights of citizenship etc.
FrolickingFrolicking
It’s usual BS from ignorant self-absorbed lying conservative scumbags. But, new thing here is disgraceful AP going along with it
FrolickingFrolicking
And happily parroting the “religious beliefs” wording, in the guise of neutral authoritative journalism. It’s not religious, it’s PERSONAL
GlenL
Just like the Bible!
RecurringNightmare
yeah theres something off there, i know some cults dont allow blood transfusions so maybe also no drug injections, but then transplants are>
RecurringNightmare
>also off the list already, i assume its just made up bullshit to avoid the vaccinations that now suddenly has unwanted consequences...<<<
Arcygenical
"Born again Christian" is code for "I used to do heroin" or something.
Cela84
12 Step Jesus. Can be very useful for getting life back on track, but can also lead to this.
LerryV2
Is code for ultra annoying people who will not shut up about their new found faith.
FritoParadise
She shouldn't need a transplant if you have that much faith in your religion
shepahrdjhon
as a Muslim I actually kind of had a reason to not get the vaccine early since I was eligible in Ramadan. Several Islamic scholars said it>>
shepahrdjhon
>> was still allowed even when fasting so I got it during Ramadan as soon as there was an appointment available. Even delayed two fasts >>
shepahrdjhon
>> due to side effects AND kept two longer fasts (since the days were longer after Ramadan was over) to cover for it later.
shepahrdjhon
2 >> and one of the ones I delayed wasn't deliberate, I kept the fast the day after the vaccine but vomited so I had to break it.
Rectalexam
She's literally just gonna end up staying on dialysis indefinitely
HUGHgReaction
You can’t live forever on it. It really takes its toll on the body. It is really just to keep you alive long enough for a transplant
FierceAndAdorable
Until they have to start taking off limb, by limb as the body fails.
Splosions
give her 1...maybe 2 sessions. I have never been, but I have heard from people that have. Dialysis sucks, a lot.
iheartgeekz
And the 5 year mortality rate for dialysis patients is around 50%.
InfinitusEquitas
Whereas transplant without covid vaccine is 20-30% within a year. The woman has had it explained to her. Freaking idiot.
Doso777
Still better than dying.
Splosions
Eh, depends who you ask. 1 of those aforementioned people voluntarily chose to end the dialysis....aka, die.
sazabit
Apparently not if a vaccine is involved in the process of not-dying
QuantumReek
Could be the whole 'aborted fetal tissue' thing used in the lab tests associated with it. Christians aren't on board with abortions FYI
lucifer316
They aren't on board with them unless it is their mistress.
QuantumReek
Hey I'm not defending. Just putting myself in someone else's possible line of thought. Something I think the world should do a little more
lucifer316
The left is always asked to put themselves in someone else's shoes while the right gets to treat everyone how they want. I have had enough.
QuantumReek
All good. I'm going to try to keep being part of the solution and not contribute to the problem.
jroneida
When it suits them, https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption
QuantumReek
Hey I'm not defending. Just putting myself in someone else's possible line of thought. Something I think the world should do a little more
skipweasel
Tricky to argue that a cell line started 50 years ago from a single aborted foetus outweighs all the benefits of so many vaccines.
QuantumReek
Hey I'm not defending. Just putting myself in someone else's possible line of thought. Something I think the world should do a little more
skipweasel
A good point, and well made.
seamusmcfly
She would also need to refuse many, many, many other common medicines for that to be a valid reason.
QuantumReek
Hey I'm not defending. Just putting myself in someone else's possible line of thought. Something I think the world should do a little more
ilovespreadsheets
"Lutali said she could not agree to be vaccinated because of the role that fetal cell lines have played in the development of vaccines" 1/
ilovespreadsheets
"Several types of cell lines created decades ago using fetal tissue are widely used in medical manufacturing but the cells" 2/
ilovespreadsheets
"in them today are clones of the early cells, not the original tissue." 3/3 so... she did her own research and is still an idiot.
shotgunz
Christianity doesn't prohibit vaccines though
BellsTheorem
It doesn't prevent abortion or gun regulation either.
Hrafna55
1/2 As transplant recipient you have to be on immune suppressing drugs forever. This makes you very high risk for Covid. So why 'waste' a
Hrafna55
2/2 kidney on someone who won't protect themselves with a vaccine. Someone died to donate that kidney.
walnutbreath
Two sects do: 1) Christian Scientists and 2) Dutch Reformed. Most Christians do not belong to either (combined they have fewer than 400k
walnutbreath
adherents in the U.S.). These antivaxxers are Fox News Christians and generally repudiate about 97% of Christ's teachings.
Awol86
THE MF POPE IS VACCINATED, I AM SO TIRED OF Y'ALL RELIGIOUS NUTJOBS
OneTrueGif
Bible actively says to use face coverings but "that's the old testament"... But hey ignore that same argument when it comes to "the gays"
ekzeko
Well, the new testament kind of builds a trap around it: All sex acts out of marriage are fornication and Adultery, and marriage is pretty-
ekzeko
clearly a man and woman thing. So all homosexual acts are sinful by process of elimination.
SirenBrick
It is complicated, the OG bible doesn't define marriage at all, and homosexuality was mislabelled from paedophilia, gay is not mentioned.
RawrLouder
A Catholic person I know said it was a "I trust God so God will protect me" kinda thing. That getting the vax meant you didnt trust God.
leodavinci1
Locking the doors of a car and home, wearing seat belts, having any insurance, and a host of other things also mean you don't trust God.
walnutbreath
Both the Pope and the Bishops (assuming they're Americans) have urged their faithful to get vaccinated.
Roehcai
I like Proverbs 25:2 for Gods view on science. "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."
poopfarts666
I bet that person doesn't brush their teeth either. God will intervene against gingivitis.
Rogermooreseyebrow
She was the worst Spice Girl.
Imalwaysready
But then that would, logically, have to apply to literally everything. No glasses, no warm clothes, no medicine of literally ANY kind...
Imalwaysready
besides, doesn't the lord also help those who help themselves? Like, he sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter, what more did they want?
leodavinci1
That saying is Ben Franklin, not the Bible.
PangolinBan
A Roman-Catholic person? Because the Pope has already publicly endorsed getting vaccinated. That aside, wouldn't this extend to any sort 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 of medical procedure? Why get surgery or chemo or even take an aspirin to help with a heart condition rather than trusting God then?
IMayHaveTimeForThat
Some believers, unfortunately, take it to that extent and drastically shorten their own or their childrens lives.
Imalwaysready
I know a lot of Catholics who don't like or trust or follow the pope and think he's "liberal trash and shouldn't hold that position."
TjD1974
If you dont follow the Pope your not Roman Catholic. Its simple, maybe someone should explain it to them
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Anecdotal I know, but thats my experience with American catholics ya. European ones tend to be different.
Jariris
All the Catholics I know aren't dill holes, so there's that.
skipweasel
Of course not. That'd be silly, and we can't have a silly religion - that'd be silly.
Rantaf
Indeed. A silly religion? Just the notion of such a thing is surreal
omnipotentpasta
I disagree.
Imalwaysready
**psst! Have you seen the hats some of them wear?**
zigbigidorlu
FievelsBrotherFourvel
unless the religion is Islam, then you're an Islamophobe
InsouciantSausage
Shoo
FievelsBrotherFourvel
Sorry, are they the one religion that doesn't fall under the "religion is silly" umbrella?
tzap
Fundamentalist and conservative Islam is silly. But Islam can be interpreted quite liberally, should one choose to, and that is then fine.
FievelsBrotherFourvel
so, just like Christianity? Don't see too many Christians throwing gays off roofs of buildings
tzap
See e.g. the queen of Jordan, Rania Al-Abdullah, progressive Islam, and Quranism.
TravisKraftPhotography
It’s the use of fetal tissue to make some vaccines that they use as an excuse. They link it to abortion. This making it a religion problem.
shepahrdjhon
vaccines don't use that but the treatment that their god emperor got(Regenoron) does.
TheMerovingianian
It's hypocrisy at its final form. They have no idea
Elroydb
They never turn down the Regeneron when it comes time to find out
Imalwaysready
But these didn't ev...oh, who the fuck cares anymore. Let her die in her ignorance. I'm sick of trying to save these morons from themselves.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodWizard
This is a terrible argument, but whatever floats their boat. 90% of common medicine today has used fetal cell lines… fetal cell ≠ abortion
Willowknowsall
Who cares if you use something that was going in the trash anyway, no one is harvesting them for medical research, we are dumpster diving
Willowknowsall
Anyway transplant people don't like to waste organs on a person with a low chance of long term survival so she gonna die on her soap box
RevengeIsIceCream
Great, are they also refusing Tylenol and all the other drugs that used the same cells?
TravisKraftPhotography
No, why would they do something that doesn’t push their political biases?
Roehcai
Christians aren't anti-abortion. Some anti-abortion people claim to be Christian. Regardless, Jesus was anti-plague, so...
PizzaStation
None of the vaccines use any fetal tissue. Any cell lines used are lab created and decades removed from any actual collected fetal tissue.
PizzaStation
And Pfizer didn't even use those cell lines in production or manufacturing, only testing.
pandastrafe
Can't inform a pigeon about cell culturing or how cell banks are generated.
bigasspervypanda
Good luck explaining any of that to the anti-vax wackos.
TravisKraftPhotography
That’s just their excuse. Not saying it’s all fact, but this is how they decide to fight the vaccine at a religious level