"What's that? I've contracted one of the most highly infectious viruses known to science that is especially dangerous for children? Welp, sounds like a great time for a road trip!"
Measles can be deadly (look it up). If his trail can be proven to a child or someone dying having contracted measles direct from his idiotic actions, can he be held liable, I wonder.
Something that isn't talked about enough is how measles wipes out "immune memory," essentially resetting your immune system's ability to fight other pathogens. Immunity can be rebuilt gradually through exposure or boosters, but obviously catching an infectious disease in order to avoid said disease is a dipshit plan. Measles can also cause encephalitis years after infection, so fingers crossed for the anti vaxx "doctor" in the OP.
I'm getting a Measles refresher shot in the next weeks. Doc said that since my childhood things have changed a bit in the vax schemes and this would make sense. Will do.
I didn't know this... What I did, accidently, discover is that a stem cell transplant also erases all antibodies. So while I had measles as a kid (born a few years before the standardised Dutch national measles vaccination program), the antibodies (also for mumbs and rubella) were nowhere to be found... Got the vaccine and serum as we were travelling to a risk area and didn't have enough time to see if the vaccine did enough. (On immunotherapy, so my immunesystem has a lot on its plate...)
Covid did this as well, which is why most countries have been having record flu and cold outbreaks each year following a covid outbreak. They are previously dormant flus suddenly flaring up a second time.
I found it Siren. The term isn't used in the article, but it goes down in detail why COVID had the same effect in the immune system and why organs are more likely to suffer damage after COVID.
Yeah. If I recall correctly it was a small study where they weren't actually giving people measles, they were trying to find people who had auto immune diseases who had happened to contact the disease naturally and then study them.
I was wondering if it could be used for allergies too. But it's a pretty big cost. I also wonder if that means people who've had the chicken pox would then be extra susceptible to shingles.
Fucks sake man, watch any of the viral outbreak movies and take notes, Outbreak, Contagion, 12 Monkeys, (show or movie) I am legend, 28 days or weeks later, fucks sake.
They're all great movies, but I wouldn't use them to educate people on medical issues. Medical textbooks and doctors (rational ones) are probably more reliable (usually, not a guarantee unfortunately).
"Chief scientific officer" of an anti-vax group. It's like a bad joke. Also I read his Wikipedia page, he's a biologist and chemist, not a medical doctor.
Kinda perfect actually. He probably advertises it, so his patients are probably exclusively anti-vax. So he's killing a bunch of antivaxers. A hero, really.
Find out which flights and major transit hubs he's been to since the moment he caught it, and notify all travelers that have been around him in those time frames, and start a massive civil lawsuit against his ass.
Anti-vaxxers are like fast exploding types of enemy mobs. Trying to spread disease as fast as possible using speed and AoE. It is best to take them out early and from a distance. That's why we need this country back to make it illegal to affect others with any anti-vax related bs in any way.
In the capitalist hellscape that is the states? Not coming in to work at a kitchen or daycare because you have a communicable disease is frowned upon, do with that what you will.
Ha! "crime" is so subjective in the US. Depends on the income status of the individual and whether it is pro or con for the administration at the time.
I mean crime is inherently subjective, see: stealing bread, but I get you and no excuses for disease. That was for some reason I don't remember a really big issue in 2020
I've been picked up and released while no fine was issued. I should have been issued a fine. My friends who were out with me and made way more than me. A Hispanic man, a woman from Romania that I was dating, a couple from China, and a woman from Spain. They all got fines. Drunk in public. I was as well. This was in 2008. I've never really thought that all citizens are equal under the law. If there is a fine associated with the infraction, it is just a ticket for a ride at a festival.
I wish normal crimes were like copyright crimes. They either have to go after everyone for the crime or no one. Can’t pick and choose. If you can show that they didn’t go after one person for it, then they can’t go after you. Then they, presumably, would have to go after these asshats for things like this. And insider trading.
No I'm pretty sure they charged the "coughing on vegetables at the grocery store" people during Covid. Wow how fucked up was the sentence I just wrote. Darkest timeline
going out of your way to cough on produce you're not buying is different than wandering around like an idiot while unvaxxed and/or infected, or that entire movement would be in jail after 2020.
I think the implication is that people would be so unhinged as to go around coughing on produce during a pandemic is what was fucked up.
Shit, even if there isn't a pandemic. If you see someone going around intentionally coughing on stuff, I'd think that's a sign that they're very much not well.
Like that stupid ice cream licking trend that was going around years back
No I absolutely get you, and it's WILDLY fucked that people would do these behaviors and then claim it was some bullshit outcome from having been soooo booored on lockdown. But I thought I saw that you can be charged with like assault with a deadly weapon with some diseases and not others. I had tons of patients fly during the pandemic knowing they were sick to avoid the hassle of staying put long enough to be safe to fly. But charging someone with a crime from that, like this idiot? Not sure.
Those that were doing the ice cream licking got charged with bio-terrorism if memory serves me right (can't remember the cases though) since they stated that they had the flu when they were doing that challenge.
Oh my God fuck that. I have no problem sharing food, drinking from the same straws, etc, unless it's someone I don't really know or suspect, yknow obviously, that they might not be hygienic. Somebody who would just lick random ice cream is somebody that scratches their ass without washing their hands, that's a guarantee
Sorrontis
The hooker I like the least
foreverinchains
"What's that? I've contracted one of the most highly infectious viruses known to science that is especially dangerous for children? Welp, sounds like a great time for a road trip!"
What a fucking douche.
Dhalmelpunch
RFK's Children's Health Defense doing what it does best.
Nuggetti
>anti-vaxx
>doctor
So which one is he?
elvianempire
wiki says his PhD is in chemical engineering, he doesnt appear to be an MD.
thedudeman519
License revoked, yes?
elvianempire
wiki says his PhD is in chemical engineering, he doesnt appear to be an MD.
HellsHegemony
00LimaRomeo
Shit for brains, and no conscience.
KommanderKayriel
Bio-terrorism. Execute him.
the12thletter
Fucking Nurgle cultists
SavageDrums
Too bad he didn't die painfully.
Ijusthadtosay
Well, on the plus side, Alberta may soon no longer have more measles cases than the entire united states...
BarnegatLight
Is it still mostly among the Mennonites and their contacts? Because that made me feel safer.
ButteryBiscuitBass
Cunts, the lot of them.
thedudeman519
TakeAChillPill16
Hope he dies. "Malicious stupidity" should be a list-able cause of death
GeofrontTmP
He should be ashamed for putting a bad name on the profession his surname is associated with
tooomanystevesgotbanned
PerthAussieMike
Measles can be deadly (look it up). If his trail can be proven to a child or someone dying having contracted measles direct from his idiotic actions, can he be held liable, I wonder.
ladyxsuebee
Too bad it wasnt for typhoid Mary here
sirbinlid
She should be held liable but he wont
mcglirkymeow
Sure, but the USA is so fucked up right now, a white republican can just murder people and no one does anything.
Highly doubt some old farty windbag spreading measles will even be noticed.
vegivamp
Right now? Marginally more than usual, you mean. The main difference is that it's all in plain sight now.
youstupidpoop
Something that isn't talked about enough is how measles wipes out "immune memory," essentially resetting your immune system's ability to fight other pathogens. Immunity can be rebuilt gradually through exposure or boosters, but obviously catching an infectious disease in order to avoid said disease is a dipshit plan. Measles can also cause encephalitis years after infection, so fingers crossed for the anti vaxx "doctor" in the OP.
oldernotwiser
If you commit a crime, intentionally or not, you need to pay the price. Arrest him.
stronomer
I'm getting a Measles refresher shot in the next weeks. Doc said that since my childhood things have changed a bit in the vax schemes and this would make sense. Will do.
TurkeySando
Was going to ask this. I was born before 1989 so probably just have one shot? Didn’t know there was a difference but if I can get a booster I will.
stronomer
Yes, please do get it. There seems to be only a combination booster available (Measles, Rubella and something else), but that's fine.
Catterverse
An anti vaxxer doing something stupid? Unheard off.
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
A kid died the other day from measles in a city near me. Completely preventable.
Hexidimentional
This is why i think we should have closed our southern border the moment they confirmed RFKjr, american tourists are a threat to Canadian health
MaleProstateMilker88
Travel ban from USA to the rest of the world when?
SnowmanHitInTheFaceWithALackOfCreativity
If you're ever struggling with school, just remember this fucking retard managed to get a PhD. You can do anything
Atomic2
When they say that hookers spread diseases, this is what they mean.
skinart
Measles also causes immunity amnesia. Wipes out your body's repertoire of antibodies for previously defeated pathogens.
Frozenspokes
If there's any justice in the world, this asshole will be inflicted with it.
RussianMafia1337
So is there any kind of punishment?
GravyEducation
If anything you'd think conservatives would WANT to be on the side of the white blood cell
Hayashima
It's white, and kills unwanted immigrants!
ArbitraryMorte
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IJUSTLOVEIT
If he dies he dies.. anyway...
mikeatike
The problem is he will take a bunch of people with him. And not ones that deserve it like the brain worms guy.
IJUSTLOVEIT
I feel for them because of this mother f*cker moron innocent people are affected by his stupidity... arrgggg
ricpaul
I didn't know this... What I did, accidently, discover is that a stem cell transplant also erases all antibodies. So while I had measles as a kid (born a few years before the standardised Dutch national measles vaccination program), the antibodies (also for mumbs and rubella) were nowhere to be found... Got the vaccine and serum as we were travelling to a risk area and didn't have enough time to see if the vaccine did enough. (On immunotherapy, so my immunesystem has a lot on its plate...)
SirenBrick
Covid did this as well, which is why most countries have been having record flu and cold outbreaks each year following a covid outbreak. They are previously dormant flus suddenly flaring up a second time.
BarnegatLight
Do you have a source for covid causing immunity amnesia?
VictusVonGuyver
I found it Siren. The term isn't used in the article, but it goes down in detail why COVID had the same effect in the immune system and why organs are more likely to suffer damage after COVID.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/severe-covid-19-may-lead-long-term-innate-immune-system-changes
bridgebrain
Huh, I wonder if they've looked into using it as a auto-immune fixer for people whos immune systems start attacking themselves.
givemepickles
I doubt that. I have autoimmune problems. The pathways for “attack oneself” and “attack viruses” are pretty different. Sadly.
Unfortunately COVID fucks me the fuck up. No improvements, only worsening.
GravyEducation
I can't give you pickles but I can give you an internet hug and a music
givemepickles
Thanks! I’ll take what I can get!
KinetoPlay
Yeah. If I recall correctly it was a small study where they weren't actually giving people measles, they were trying to find people who had auto immune diseases who had happened to contact the disease naturally and then study them.
skinart
I was wondering if it could be used for allergies too. But it's a pretty big cost. I also wonder if that means people who've had the chicken pox would then be extra susceptible to shingles.
TsukariYoshi
that is murder
veronicaflies
He deserves to be locked up for transmitting diseases knowingly
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Fucks sake man, watch any of the viral outbreak movies and take notes, Outbreak, Contagion, 12 Monkeys, (show or movie) I am legend, 28 days or weeks later, fucks sake.
KinetoPlay
I'll add the South Korean film The Flu. It's very good, really shows the devastation without turning hopeless.
thedudeman519
Or work in a school when a kid comes in sick
SniffUmaMuffins
So it’s pretty much going to spread around the entire country now, since he took it through airports.
OmegaRainbow360
They're all great movies, but I wouldn't use them to educate people on medical issues. Medical textbooks and doctors (rational ones) are probably more reliable (usually, not a guarantee unfortunately).
SleepyHollowAppleTree
"What not to do when one becomes infected with a highly contagious virus." Don't travel, don't go to the movies, or a casino, etc.
abc987
Sadly the people who need it the most can't / won't read and are taught by fox news to distrust any doctor not on their shows
CatskinnerKeen
IIRC, Contagion was the most accurate.
secondgoaround
Anti-vax doctor. There’s an oxymoron if I ever saw one.
oldpotatoes
He's definitely a moron, and taking took much oxy could do that to a person.
Humputse
"Chief scientific officer" of an anti-vax group. It's like a bad joke. Also I read his Wikipedia page, he's a biologist and chemist, not a medical doctor.
SlickWithaLimerick
The fact that the author didn't put that title in quotations is journalistic malpractice.
Nnoitra77
tesseract4d2
Kinda perfect actually. He probably advertises it, so his patients are probably exclusively anti-vax. So he's killing a bunch of antivaxers. A hero, really.
secondgoaround
Doing the lord’s work.
TsubakiTragic
*moron
NKato
Find out which flights and major transit hubs he's been to since the moment he caught it, and notify all travelers that have been around him in those time frames, and start a massive civil lawsuit against his ass.
oldpotatoes
Anti-vaxxers are like fast exploding types of enemy mobs. Trying to spread disease as fast as possible using speed and AoE. It is best to take them out early and from a distance. That's why we need this country back to make it illegal to affect others with any anti-vax related bs in any way.
dwolvin
Knowingly transmitting disease is still a crime, right?
muyrhrwhj80
Depends.
How much money does he make/have?
HandoB4Javert
SDgoldilocks
If we lived in a developed country maybe and not the hellscape America has become.
akafluffy
In the capitalist hellscape that is the states? Not coming in to work at a kitchen or daycare because you have a communicable disease is frowned upon, do with that what you will.
mikeatike
Not if you are a republican.
MioTaalas
Depends if you've money or not.
Tunica
Id go as far as attempted murder or murder if they die.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
Ha! "crime" is so subjective in the US. Depends on the income status of the individual and whether it is pro or con for the administration at the time.
FuzzyX
So you are saying it could be possible to bring back Ebola from Africa to directly affect their local community in the USA.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
Yes. And many more besides.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1aHY5Y2MwcHV5MmQ3Z3lyM2M2YTB3cG5qMHdhcjcyNHJtdnc5c3B5ciZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/5xtDarHP8iCzdHSjLxu/200w.webp
GravyEducation
I mean crime is inherently subjective, see: stealing bread, but I get you and no excuses for disease. That was for some reason I don't remember a really big issue in 2020
Nikolai5
Crimes are for the poor in America.
clonedeeznuts
Depends on the victims skin color
TattoosAndTENS
Only if you’re gay. And “stealthing” is only a crime in some states.
SilentScreamsX
In most countries, yes.
In America...is anything a crime when you're rich and white?
akafluffy
stealing from other rich white people is still illegal if you're rich and white... that's about it though.
putcleverusernamehere
No.
GuyFromDeathValley
Only if you are poor.
reichstein
Kinda seems like it depends how white you are.
Sinlok
I've been picked up and released while no fine was issued. I should have been issued a fine. My friends who were out with me and made way more than me. A Hispanic man, a woman from Romania that I was dating, a couple from China, and a woman from Spain. They all got fines. Drunk in public. I was as well. This was in 2008. I've never really thought that all citizens are equal under the law. If there is a fine associated with the infraction, it is just a ticket for a ride at a festival.
fformulaa
For some it is a crime, but not all
bad1080
some are more equal than others
ToolmanTR
I wish normal crimes were like copyright crimes. They either have to go after everyone for the crime or no one. Can’t pick and choose. If you can show that they didn’t go after one person for it, then they can’t go after you. Then they, presumably, would have to go after these asshats for things like this. And insider trading.
annonymouse211
Only if it's fatal iirc. Like if you intentionally have unprotected sex and you know you're HIV+
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Heisanevilgenius
Very few things are "necessarily" fatal. A bullet to the head is not necessarily fatal. Stop being obtuse.
GravyEducation
No I'm pretty sure they charged the "coughing on vegetables at the grocery store" people during Covid. Wow how fucked up was the sentence I just wrote. Darkest timeline
akafluffy
going out of your way to cough on produce you're not buying is different than wandering around like an idiot while unvaxxed and/or infected, or that entire movement would be in jail after 2020.
annonymouse211
To be fair covid was pretty fatal to a bunch of people.
Sonicschilidogs
So are the measles.
thedudeman519
I think the implication is that people would be so unhinged as to go around coughing on produce during a pandemic is what was fucked up.
Shit, even if there isn't a pandemic. If you see someone going around intentionally coughing on stuff, I'd think that's a sign that they're very much not well.
Like that stupid ice cream licking trend that was going around years back
annonymouse211
No I absolutely get you, and it's WILDLY fucked that people would do these behaviors and then claim it was some bullshit outcome from having been soooo booored on lockdown. But I thought I saw that you can be charged with like assault with a deadly weapon with some diseases and not others. I had tons of patients fly during the pandemic knowing they were sick to avoid the hassle of staying put long enough to be safe to fly. But charging someone with a crime from that, like this idiot? Not sure.
vosuraekira
Those that were doing the ice cream licking got charged with bio-terrorism if memory serves me right (can't remember the cases though) since they stated that they had the flu when they were doing that challenge.
GravyEducation
Oh my God fuck that. I have no problem sharing food, drinking from the same straws, etc, unless it's someone I don't really know or suspect, yknow obviously, that they might not be hygienic. Somebody who would just lick random ice cream is somebody that scratches their ass without washing their hands, that's a guarantee