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GiantSquanchy
ChanMan9000
Like you could argue with a jan 6, q anon dimwit…..ok
draco25310
Just tell them to look up dixicrats
JinxRocks
Read the political party platforms prior to 1956, then compare to today. Interesting to read.
SoLongSaulGood
Oh the Klan votes democrat now?? These mother fuckers are so stupid.
CraftyGiant
The KKK was founded by 8 ex confederate army officers. Feel free to look that up.
porcubot
You'll never guess where all the racists went when the Democratic Party adopted the Civil Rights movement as part of their platform. Guess!
MachineInterface
The southern democrats left the democratic party after the civil rights movement. I WONDER WHERE THEY WENT.
Seanspeed
They know these talking points are ridiculous. They dont care about the truth. That's the real difference.
Jamnew60
Lets all pretend that little switch of the Dixiecrats to the Republican Party after the signing of the 1964 Voting Rights Act didn’t happen
PiercedViking
Yeah they should try calling a Klansman a Democrat and see what happens.
ran76
My recent favorite is people saying the currently used to represent the Confederacy was actually the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia
ran76
Okay, remind me... who did they fight for again?
Tisbutafleshwound
Social conservatives switched parties in the 60s
TheSecondPiewackit
"The party switch is a myth!" Then why are nearly all of the "1960s political party switch" list Democrat-to-Republican?
samanthadlcruz
the republicans literally invited the racists to join the party to oppose civil rights/desegregation in the 1960s. -
samanthadlcruz
it was largely evangelical christian leaders that led the rapid shift in party demographics & is also to blame for the extremist GQP today.
gnomeling
Welcome to an argument I had with a coworker several times. Except he'd just say nothing changed and the KKK still supports dems
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
getting a lot of use out this these days
AisforApple
ifteguy2
Tell these people to read (ha ha ha) about the Dixiecrat Revolution, The Southern Strategy and The Lost Cause of the South
Psyskwr
Yeah starting around 1950 and through 1980 most of the conservative democrats that wrote and supported Jim Crow laws became Republicans. 1/2
Psyskwr
For case and point please refer to Strom Thurmond. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
flordelasantillas
Not all MAGA's are racist but all racists are MAGA's.
CraftyGiant
All MAGA are racist, because they repeatedly endorse racists.
linexnewt
Decent summary of the party switch here: https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
foreigntrolldetector
just another distraction tactic. using facts or logic will just waste your time. the appropriate response is “shut the fuck up”
Fravash
I'm begging every American to read up on The Southern Strategy.
Holinyx05
and the dixiecrats of 1948 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
Equinox13
I wish the Southern Strategy was spreading love for biscuits and gravy, but it's not, so we have General Sherman instead.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Biscuits and gravy are just about the only thing I will miss when I leave Alabama.
Equinox13
The wonderful thing is that you can make biscuits and gravy anywhere you are. The true meaning of freedom.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
I have lived in Alabama for nearly 40 years and the only way I know how to make B&G is to go to Waffle House.
Equinox13
Good news is that it's super easy to make. Bad news is that you can make a ton. There is no plated portion size. You will eat it ALL.
amp99
Related: 'Political Ships of Theseus | The Party Switch' by Knowing Better: https://youtu.be/MwuFIJlY7fU
BrokinHowl
I had an argument with a coworker who didn't know about the party switch, knowing the area he's from I'm not surprised it was left out
arfysdad
Book rec.; To Make Men Free by Heather Cox Richardson. A history of the Republican Party.
Canofminus
They really, really hate it when you point out that white nationalists open supported Trump. "You're taking it out a context" "OK, explain."
SecretAgentSuperBooger
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ConstantBitRate
Also the party of Lincoln but they won't own up to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Awakes
paintingagency
"A moment, gentlemen."
emenelopee
There you go with the purity tests. There is no true racist. Embrace the beautiful spectrum of bigotry.
mustardburp
sorry, ive posted this before, but it bears repeating: BEHOLD! THE MASTER RACE:
PhantomWatson
Given that Lincoln himself was racist and not particularly interested in ending slavery unless if it was politically expedient for him... ?
vericon151
?ending slavery was literally the worst thing he could have done politically?
PhantomWatson
Yeah, his writings were like "Do I want to end slavery? Only if I absolutely have to. And even then, I oppose sociopolitical equality."
vericon151
But he didn’t have to… he was forced to come to conscious moment as states were trying to force their will. He didn’t have to.
robincaid
Didn’t the parties swap names at some point? So back then they were right wing but were just called Democrats. Complicated self own?
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Not that they swapped names as much as the country changed around them. R's have been "the party of business" since before the Civil War,
NotMyUsualOnlineName
and their policies have shown that. Early on, they wanted a strong fed gov't to help businesses (national currency, tariffs, infrastructure,
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etc.), then later they wanted to have less gov't to interfere with corporations. Early gov't expansion helped big businesses in the
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northeast, but not the farmers that had moved west in the late 1800s. D's saw a huge, untapped voting bloc in the West, and started
NotMyUsualOnlineName
promising fed aid to the poor farmers to get their votes. As far as the race issue goes, it's a combination of racism and greed. There's
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thedudeman519
Unfortunately, no
newsguycraigevans
Nope. It's an actual talking point used by today's GQP, and this is an excellent retort. Every kkk member and neo nazi in the US today votes
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thedudeman519
Would the official website of the Republican party of Texas meet your standards ?https://texasgop.org/the-democrats-have-always-been-the-par
thedudeman519
@projectorgames citation for you.
newsguycraigevans
Republican. They are very open about this.
SilverNicktail
No, this is a thing that MAGA people bring up constantly to try and say "nuh uh, you're the racists, you are".
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SilverNicktail
Oh man I'll get banned for posting Steven Crowder/Ben Shapiro links. Crowder's done that shit repeatedly. So has Carlson I believe.
CraftyGiant
You live under a rock, we get it.
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thedudeman519
I gave you an answer.
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CraftyGiant
BECAUSE IT"S SO FUCKING COMMON YOU PRACTICALLY HAVE TO BE AVOIDING IT ON PURPOSE.
LoftheDesert
I never understood the arguments of "this is what these people did 100 years ago, therefore they must be evil today". Political views change
MrSebi
Because the arguments are done in bad faith. They're just a ''gotcha'' to pander to their own base. They don't want actual discussion.
Shoutrr
it's on par with a worldwide conservative tenet: trying to justify your shitty actions by saying others did it too "everybody does it!",
Shoutrr
here, they're just using the history of the two parties to justify their racism. classical.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
A guy on here was using it as a way of saying "Dems are bad". I tried to explain the actual history and he just accused me of reframing /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
it to attack the right. I told him it was right-wingers who had done it, and he refused to believe me. /2
Giantmutantcrab
But you except conservatives to have intelligent points to make? To use logic? Reason? Actual reality? You silly goose.
Mahabazu
Historical evidence that "the other side is bad" simply appeals to a emotion based thinking.
ChainmailleAddict
100 years ago, I'd be a Republican, since they were the "left" back then.
Gryphonosiris
Simple minds can't fathom that there was a shift in party ideals starting in the 1930's and ending in the 1970's.
thekeyofe
People who make bullshit arguments like that have no consistent views about anything, and just say whatever they think will win the argument
Salahaldin
Was going to comment this. People need to stop acting like these are arguments in good faith.
Murmull
And people in some areas not all, were just incredibly ignorant 100 years ago .
SlickWithaLimerick
If change was a concept they embraced, there would be no republican party. They are just cheering for their stupid team.
emenelopee
It's not a good faith argument, it's not intended to be understood.
CelestialSea
The same people arguing that also argue that Nazis have been painted with an overly broad brush.
quzar
The justified application is when those people defend/deny what was done 100 years ago.
Animorphs
They think it’s a “gotcha!” Moment and that it absolves them of the suspicious “Maybe I *am* racist…” thought.
jtalbain333
They do the same in reverse too. They call themselves the Party of Lincoln because they have to go back that far to be worth a damn.
Morganelefay
And yet, if you tell them their ancestors were evil...
JustplainGross
That's the fun part, the views didn't change, they all just switched parties and kept goin
Curryfrenchfries
They've also changed. Bernies tax proposals were drastically right of Nixon and he's too far left....
SithElephant
For a while it was getting better, with 'all people are people' type amendments, then the party that had rejected racism decided racism was
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electoral gold. (I use 'rejected racism' loosely)
DSREX
Because that happened in a Boomer and some GenX's life time they have problems accepting that change. That is the disconnect.
Curryfrenchfries
They really don't want to admit that everything after 1965 has been a racist back lash against civil rights.
FetaForMoses
As a German, I HAVE to believe that
LoftheDesert
I mean... I don't even doubt that the German people have changed since the 1930s. But if someone wants to support NSDAP, they're evil.
vonHoopla
They haven't. Fascists slowly gaining power again, just with a student hat and more caution lol
ProphetofEntropy
what germany learned in ww2 was 1/3 of its people want to kill a 1/3 of its people and 1/3 is willing to sit and watch it happen. only fools
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think they live a country without humans like that.
LoftheDesert
While racism may be on the rise, it is still a majority of Germans who are against it. Same in Sweden where I live.